WW1 grouping discovery.

rynegold · 10-17-2011, 01:54 PM

I recently bought this grouping from the daughter of a WW1 First Lieutenant who served (as an officer) in the Fifth Army. Here is what I recieved from her...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...85554079/show/

And a link to a thread I posted as to the regimental markings:

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/fo...owtopic=170325

It was taken from an officer during the Meuse-Argonne operation as there were many who surrendered to the 5th.

I've been told by a friend who owns quite a few lugers that there are some stamps he's never seen before; I'll try and get pix of them up here shortly. All #s match inside and out save the magazines of which neither match.

His daughter told me that he, her dad ( Lt. Ernest Hampy) told the story often of having taken the little Folbert pistol from a POW; he had it cupped in his hand, holding it with his thumb during a search. He is listed in the Div. history book you see in my pix.

Her dad was a first gen. American... his father became a citizen while a farmer in Missouri in 1841. Their name was originally spelled Haumpe.

regards, m

alanint · 10-17-2011, 01:58 PM

Outstanding acquisition! A rare grouping and almost impossible to find like this these days!

lfid · 10-17-2011, 02:36 PM

Rynegold,
Congratulations! And thanks for sharing. Very cool
Bill

George Anderson · 10-17-2011, 03:36 PM

You have a very nice unit marked P08. Would you share the serial number of the pistol including letter suffix? Thanks.

rynegold · 10-17-2011, 06:53 PM

George; certainly... although there's no "letter" prefix that preceeds the serial # on the same line. The serial # is 8360; and there is a lower case "d" centered below the serial # exactly between the 3 and 6 (on I guess what would be line 2); I will add that it is "italicized" (slanted to the right a tad).

regards, mitch

George Anderson · 10-17-2011, 07:04 PM

Mitch, thanks. The letter suffix is part of the serial number. I am inclined to think that the letter is probably an "a" and not a "d" as the serial numbering of your pistol is in the early military or commercial fashion. This numbering system changed in the "e" block which would be before the "d" marked guns. Can you post a photo of the number and suffix?

Norme · 10-17-2011, 07:13 PM

Hi George, I know this must be a slip of the keyboard, but e comes after d, at least it did last time I checked. Best regards, Norm

George Anderson · 10-17-2011, 07:27 PM

Norm, you are right I must have been stuck outside of time. Mitch, the "d" block would fit in with a cavalry marked 1911.

rynegold · 10-17-2011, 07:41 PM

Sorry for the exclusion... I've added the serial# as well ad the proof marks to my slide show. Have a look and let me know what you think.

The exact #:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...57627785554079

The photo set:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...7627785554079/

Or alternately, you can go to the slide show set in the post above.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...85554079/show/

regards,
mitch

rynegold · 10-18-2011, 10:33 PM

So to George, or Norme... is it an "a"? or a "d"?

And then what makes it (possibly) a Cav. luger? serial#?

Are the stamps on the righthand side of the barrel/slide correct for this period 08?

I'm begining to really like lugers

dangit!

regards, m

Norme · 10-18-2011, 10:48 PM

Hi Mich, The serial number of your Luger is 8360d. Your gun is unit marked on it's front grip strap: 1. R (cursive).U.!.9. This translates to: 1st Reserve Uhlan Regiment, 1st Company, Weapon #9. This was an elite cavalry regiment. Regards, Norm

klaus 3338 · 10-19-2011, 01:32 AM

Thanks for sharing!
As most cavalry regiments saw the 1. Reserve Ulanen Regiment action on the Eastern Front until 1917 and then on the Western front.
The 1915 dated holster was not issued to the gun from the beginning. The holster was issued to a regiment of the 13. Army Corps.
The picture shows a unit stamp of the regiment on a 1912 dated altered Reichs- Revolver holster.

10-17-2011, 01:54 PM	#1
rynegold New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	WW1 grouping discovery. I recently bought this grouping from the daughter of a WW1 First Lieutenant who served (as an officer) in the Fifth Army. Here is what I recieved from her... http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...85554079/show/ And a link to a thread I posted as to the regimental markings: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/fo...owtopic=170325 It was taken from an officer during the Meuse-Argonne operation as there were many who surrendered to the 5th. I've been told by a friend who owns quite a few lugers that there are some stamps he's never seen before; I'll try and get pix of them up here shortly. All #s match inside and out save the magazines of which neither match. His daughter told me that he, her dad ( Lt. Ernest Hampy) told the story often of having taken the little Folbert pistol from a POW; he had it cupped in his hand, holding it with his thumb during a search. He is listed in the Div. history book you see in my pix. Her dad was a first gen. American... his father became a citizen while a farmer in Missouri in 1841. Their name was originally spelled Haumpe. regards, m

10-19-2011, 01:32 AM	#12
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 513 Thanks: 0 Thanked 395 Times in 156 Posts	Thanks for sharing! As most cavalry regiments saw the 1. Reserve Ulanen Regiment action on the Eastern Front until 1917 and then on the Western front. The 1915 dated holster was not issued to the gun from the beginning. The holster was issued to a regiment of the 13. Army Corps. The picture shows a unit stamp of the regiment on a 1912 dated altered Reichs- Revolver holster. Attached Thumbnails

10-17-2011, 01:58 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Outstanding acquisition! A rare grouping and almost impossible to find like this these days!

10-17-2011, 02:36 PM	#3
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	Rynegold, Congratulations! And thanks for sharing. Very cool Bill

10-17-2011, 03:36 PM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	You have a very nice unit marked P08. Would you share the serial number of the pistol including letter suffix? Thanks.

10-17-2011, 06:53 PM	#5
rynegold New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	George; certainly... although there's no "letter" prefix that preceeds the serial # on the same line. The serial # is 8360; and there is a lower case "d" centered below the serial # exactly between the 3 and 6 (on I guess what would be line 2); I will add that it is "italicized" (slanted to the right a tad). regards, mitch

10-17-2011, 07:04 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Mitch, thanks. The letter suffix is part of the serial number. I am inclined to think that the letter is probably an "a" and not a "d" as the serial numbering of your pistol is in the early military or commercial fashion. This numbering system changed in the "e" block which would be before the "d" marked guns. Can you post a photo of the number and suffix?

10-17-2011, 07:13 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi George, I know this must be a slip of the keyboard, but e comes after d, at least it did last time I checked. Best regards, Norm

10-17-2011, 07:27 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Norm, you are right I must have been stuck outside of time. Mitch, the "d" block would fit in with a cavalry marked 1911.

10-17-2011, 07:41 PM	#9
rynegold New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sorry for the exclusion... I've added the serial# as well ad the proof marks to my slide show. Have a look and let me know what you think. The exact #: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...57627785554079 The photo set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...7627785554079/ Or alternately, you can go to the slide show set in the post above. http://www.flickr.com/photos/1908982...85554079/show/ regards, mitch Last edited by rynegold; 10-17-2011 at 08:50 PM.

10-18-2011, 10:33 PM	#10
rynegold New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	So to George, or Norme... is it an "a"? or a "d"? And then what makes it (possibly) a Cav. luger? serial#? Are the stamps on the righthand side of the barrel/slide correct for this period 08? I'm begining to really like lugers dangit! regards, m

10-18-2011, 10:48 PM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Mich, The serial number of your Luger is 8360d. Your gun is unit marked on it's front grip strap: 1. R (cursive).U.!.9. This translates to: 1st Reserve Uhlan Regiment, 1st Company, Weapon #9. This was an elite cavalry regiment. Regards, Norm