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Vlim · 03-28-2004, 01:43 PM

Hi all,

Just went to check out some interesting project material:

A very cheap VOPO. 1936 frame/receiver + DWM toggle frankenluger force-matched Eastern German rework. Nice shooter and parts backup.

An almost new-in-the-box 06/73 Mauser Parabellum in 7.65 with 150mm barrel. This lovely gun had the misfortune to get 2 rounds stovepipe in it's barrel and the barrel is now scrap material.

I worked out a nice deal for both of them plus some parts/mags/accessories. My aim is to get the 06/73 rebarreled to 9mm, preferably with a target barrel/rearsight for competition purpose. If any of you guys have further suggestions or ideas, I'd love to hear it.

Sieger · 03-28-2004, 02:45 PM

[QUOTE]
"This lovely gun had the misfortune to get 2 rounds stovepipe in it's barrel and the barrel is now scrap material..."

I don't understand just what you are saying here. Are two bullets somehow lodged in the barrel?

Sieger

Vlim · 03-28-2004, 03:12 PM

Sieger,

Yes. He used handloads that turned out to be faulty. The first bullet got stuck in the barrel, the second also, being stopped by the first one.

Lucky for him that he used way too light loads or he would have blown the toggle and the firing pin (and possibly himself) to the next world as well.

Sieger · 03-28-2004, 08:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by G. van Vlimmeren:
Sieger,

Yes. He used handloads that turned out to be faulty. The first bullet got stuck in the barrel, the second also, being stopped by the first one.

Lucky for him that he used way too light loads or he would have blown the toggle and the firing pin (and possibly himself) to the next world as well.<hr /></blockquote>If I were you, I'd take a really close look at the frame, the slide and the toggle to make sure that they are not microscopically cracked.

We use to magnaflux automotive engines to check for these hidden cracks.

Gee, that sounds like a real mess to me.

Sieger

P.S. The next time I want to shoot a cap gun, I'll get in touch with you for the former owner's name!! Ha!!

Breaker_Morant · 03-29-2004, 05:00 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by G. van Vlimmeren:
 This lovely gun had the misfortune to get 2 rounds stovepipe in it's barrel and the barrel is now scrap material.
<hr /></blockquote>I know you two are on the same page now, but stovepipe typically refers to a jam where the casing fails to eject and is half-in / half-out. The most common way of achieving this is limp-wristing the gun. I have never heard it used in regards to a round getting stuck in a barrel.

The type of malfunction you wrote about is where a round "squibs." The charge isn't sufficient for the round to make it out of the barrel and it lodges. The following round slams into the previous round and can cause a bulge in the barrel or even rupture one.

-Just thought this might help.

Vlim · 03-29-2004, 09:31 AM

Breaker_Morant:

Thanks for the clarification on the proper use of these terms (I never had the 'pleasure' to wreck a gun to these levels)

The man was lucky to use very light charges so the receiver and toggle assembly suffered no damage, I will however consider replacing both the barrel and the receiver if I go to 9mm.

Lugerdoc · 03-29-2004, 10:17 AM

GvV, If you find a source for new 9mm LONG FRAME/RECEIVER barrels, please let us know, as I'm been searching here and in Europe for these for several years. TH

John Sabato · 03-29-2004, 12:36 PM

Gerben,

IF you can take the upper receiver to an automotive repair shop that has a hydraulic press, you should be able to have those bullets pressed out of the barrel without causing any damage... Especially if the bullets were cast lead or alloy...

Vlim · 03-31-2004, 11:07 AM

Hi John,

The bullets were already removed, suprisingly enough without much effort. The barrel was deformed during the accident as far as I know.

Tom: The only ones I can find are postwar Mauser stock and some leftover DDR stuff.

Lugerdoc · 03-31-2004, 11:28 AM

GvV, Who has the Mauser long frame barrels and are they 9x150mm? Th

Vlim · 03-31-2004, 11:52 AM

Tom,

CDS still has 150mm 9mm barrels on it's site.
Try this link:

http://www.cds-ehrenreich.de/ersatzt/p08.htm

John Sabato · 03-31-2004, 01:20 PM

Ouch... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> are they pricey or what?!

But then, when you have the only game in town...I guess you can charge what you want.

Nr. Description.................(price in EUROs)...... (English translation)

2a Lauf l0cm 9mm Para (EWB)..........113....... (Standard 4 inch 9mm)
2b Lauf l5cm 7,65 Para neu (EWB) ....62......... (6 inch .30 caliber)
2c Lauf 15cm 9P............................144 .......(6 inch 9mm)
2d Arilauf 20cm m. Visiersockel ........380 ........(8 inch type with artillery sight base)

I wonder if the 6 inch (15cm) barrels have front sight bases that are for regular rear sights, or are to accomodate the higher Navy type rear sight?

Vlim · 04-02-2004, 03:28 PM

Hi,

The guns came in today, cleaned and checked them and took some pictures:

The VoPo is a jumble of parts including an imperial-marked DWM toggle, a 1936 Mauser receiver, a VoPo-barrel and probably a DWM frame with grip markings removed (most likely also from imperial days). These parts are all reworked and force-matched to the frame's serial number. Came with 2 postwar 02/1001 magazines and a loading tool.

The Mauser Parabellum is an early 06/73 with the old swiss style safety of the 29/70. Condition is excellent, except for the barrel mishap. Came complete with box, 2 correct magazines, brush, tool, manual and warranty seal.

Also included in the deal were a very poor looking 1936 holster, some documentation and an unused set of Mauser Parabellum grips with the cartridge counter cut-out.

noel carlson · 05-07-2004, 04:37 AM

Luger Doc,

I am informed that Lothar Walther USA has "off the shelf" replacement barrels. Ask for Rusty (I do not have his number handy).

noel carlson · 05-07-2004, 04:49 AM

P.S.
I just checked the web for a general directory number of the Georgia plant. Try 770-889-9998.

Lugerdoc · 05-07-2004, 09:33 AM

Noel, Thanks for the number; I'll give them a try. John S. & GvV, I wonder about the "EWB" designation of these barrels, and I don't see any distinction between long & short frame barrels in this listing. Tom

John Sabato · 05-07-2004, 10:30 AM

Tom H,

I don't remember the German words for the EWB mark, but I am pretty sure that I do remember what it stands for...

It means that this part is available fitted at the factory (gunsmith?) only... and not sold for customer installation... but they might make an exception if they get a statement from the buyer relieving them of liability if they don't install it... Call'em Tom, the worst they and say is "Nein!"

Vlim · 05-07-2004, 01:10 PM

Hi,

The phrase stands for "Erwerbsberechtigung" and it means you must be licensed to handle gun parts. Sorta like your FFL.

03-28-2004, 01:43 PM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	New projects bought Hi all, Just went to check out some interesting project material: A very cheap VOPO. 1936 frame/receiver + DWM toggle frankenluger force-matched Eastern German rework. Nice shooter and parts backup. An almost new-in-the-box 06/73 Mauser Parabellum in 7.65 with 150mm barrel. This lovely gun had the misfortune to get 2 rounds stovepipe in it's barrel and the barrel is now scrap material. I worked out a nice deal for both of them plus some parts/mags/accessories. My aim is to get the 06/73 rebarreled to 9mm, preferably with a target barrel/rearsight for competition purpose. If any of you guys have further suggestions or ideas, I'd love to hear it.

03-28-2004, 08:44 PM	#4
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by G. van Vlimmeren: <strong>Sieger, Yes. He used handloads that turned out to be faulty. The first bullet got stuck in the barrel, the second also, being stopped by the first one. Lucky for him that he used way too light loads or he would have blown the toggle and the firing pin (and possibly himself) to the next world as well.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">If I were you, I'd take a really close look at the frame, the slide and the toggle to make sure that they are not microscopically cracked. We use to magnaflux automotive engines to check for these hidden cracks. Gee, that sounds like a real mess to me. Sieger P.S. The next time I want to shoot a cap gun, I'll get in touch with you for the former owner's name!! Ha!!

03-29-2004, 05:00 AM	#5
Breaker_Morant User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by G. van Vlimmeren: <strong> This lovely gun had the misfortune to get 2 rounds stovepipe in it's barrel and the barrel is now scrap material. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I know you two are on the same page now, but stovepipe typically refers to a jam where the casing fails to eject and is half-in / half-out. The most common way of achieving this is limp-wristing the gun. I have never heard it used in regards to a round getting stuck in a barrel. The type of malfunction you wrote about is where a round "squibs." The charge isn't sufficient for the round to make it out of the barrel and it lodges. The following round slams into the previous round and can cause a bulge in the barrel or even rupture one. -Just thought this might help.

03-29-2004, 10:17 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	GvV, If you find a source for new 9mm LONG FRAME/RECEIVER barrels, please let us know, as I'm been searching here and in Europe for these for several years. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-29-2004, 12:36 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Gerben, IF you can take the upper receiver to an automotive repair shop that has a hydraulic press, you should be able to have those bullets pressed out of the barrel without causing any damage... Especially if the bullets were cast lead or alloy... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-28-2004, 02:45 PM	#2
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	[QUOTE] "This lovely gun had the misfortune to get 2 rounds stovepipe in it's barrel and the barrel is now scrap material..." I don't understand just what you are saying here. Are two bullets somehow lodged in the barrel? Sieger

03-28-2004, 03:12 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	Sieger, Yes. He used handloads that turned out to be faulty. The first bullet got stuck in the barrel, the second also, being stopped by the first one. Lucky for him that he used way too light loads or he would have blown the toggle and the firing pin (and possibly himself) to the next world as well.

03-29-2004, 09:31 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	Breaker_Morant: Thanks for the clarification on the proper use of these terms (I never had the 'pleasure' to wreck a gun to these levels) The man was lucky to use very light charges so the receiver and toggle assembly suffered no damage, I will however consider replacing both the barrel and the receiver if I go to 9mm.

03-31-2004, 11:07 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	Hi John, The bullets were already removed, suprisingly enough without much effort. The barrel was deformed during the accident as far as I know. Tom: The only ones I can find are postwar Mauser stock and some leftover DDR stuff.

03-31-2004, 11:28 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	GvV, Who has the Mauser long frame barrels and are they 9x150mm? Th __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-31-2004, 11:52 AM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	Tom, CDS still has 150mm 9mm barrels on it's site. Try this link: http://www.cds-ehrenreich.de/ersatzt/p08.htm

03-31-2004, 01:20 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Ouch... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> are they pricey or what?! But then, when you have the only game in town...I guess you can charge what you want. Nr. Description.................(price in EUROs)...... (English translation) 2a Lauf l0cm 9mm Para (EWB)..........113....... (Standard 4 inch 9mm) 2b Lauf l5cm 7,65 Para neu (EWB) ....62......... (6 inch .30 caliber) 2c Lauf 15cm 9P............................144 .......(6 inch 9mm) 2d Arilauf 20cm m. Visiersockel ........380 ........(8 inch type with artillery sight base) *I wonder if the 6 inch (15cm) barrels have front sight bases that are for regular rear sights, or are to accomodate the higher Navy type rear sight?* __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-02-2004, 03:28 PM	#13
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	Hi, The guns came in today, cleaned and checked them and took some pictures: The VoPo is a jumble of parts including an imperial-marked DWM toggle, a 1936 Mauser receiver, a VoPo-barrel and probably a DWM frame with grip markings removed (most likely also from imperial days). These parts are all reworked and force-matched to the frame's serial number. Came with 2 postwar 02/1001 magazines and a loading tool. The Mauser Parabellum is an early 06/73 with the old swiss style safety of the 29/70. Condition is excellent, except for the barrel mishap. Came complete with box, 2 correct magazines, brush, tool, manual and warranty seal. Also included in the deal were a very poor looking 1936 holster, some documentation and an unused set of Mauser Parabellum grips with the cartridge counter cut-out.

05-07-2004, 04:37 AM	#14
noel carlson New User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: colfax,ca Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger Doc, I am informed that Lothar Walther USA has "off the shelf" replacement barrels. Ask for Rusty (I do not have his number handy).

05-07-2004, 04:49 AM	#15
noel carlson New User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: colfax,ca Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P.S. I just checked the web for a general directory number of the Georgia plant. Try 770-889-9998.

05-07-2004, 09:33 AM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Noel, Thanks for the number; I'll give them a try. John S. & GvV, I wonder about the "EWB" designation of these barrels, and I don't see any distinction between long & short frame barrels in this listing. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-07-2004, 10:30 AM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Tom H, I don't remember the German words for the EWB mark, but I am pretty sure that I do remember what it stands for... It means that this part is available fitted at the factory (gunsmith?) only... and not sold for customer installation... but they might make an exception if they get a statement from the buyer relieving them of liability if they don't install it... Call'em Tom, the worst they and say is "Nein!" __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-07-2004, 01:10 PM	#18
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	Hi, The phrase stands for "Erwerbsberechtigung" and it means you must be licensed to handle gun parts. Sorta like your FFL.