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Unread 05-29-2018, 04:29 PM   #1
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Jerry, wouldn't there be more than one???
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Richard, Not that I know of. #1451 (a) would be a "one of" in Artillery's?
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Richard, Not that I know of. #1451 (a) would be a "one of" in Artillery's?
Here's what I was thinking - If Erfurt and DWM both had that number; or if there were more than 10,000 + 1450 artilleries produced in a year; or if there were the same serial in different years; wouldn't there be more than one???
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If it's a stock, what's the cartouche?
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Well, when you put it that way I guess you might be right! I don't think there is a way to tell a DWM stock from an Erfurt? Erfurt stocks were not marked any differently than any other I think? Good thoughts though..thanks.


cartouche? is a Crown S
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Here is a list of the estimated number of LP.08s produced each year.

LP.08 Production
Year Manufacturer Estimated
1914 Erfurt 23,000
1914 DWM 750
1915 DWM 15,000
1916 DWM 20,000
1917 DWM 90,000
1918 DWM 25,000

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George will give you the definitive answer, but as an iggorant amateur on this topic, I would venture a WAG that your stock with the C/S is a DWM. I believe Erfurt has identifiable markings.
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Erfurt stocks were marked wit either a Crown/G or a crown/H.
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OK, There you have it! I found this excellent example in a foreign country. It was shipped..and disappeared for over two months. As it had to go through customs in New York..I thought it was lost and gone forever. I have lost other Military artifacts in just this way before.

Happy day! It showed up in today's mail. Anyway..it's a new number for a stock in my inventory.
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LP.08 Production
Year Manufacturer Estimated
1914 Erfurt 23,000
1914 DWM 750
1915 DWM 15,000
1916 DWM 20,000
1917 DWM 90,000
1918 DWM 25,000

From Stills "Central Powers"



From this provided by Dick Herman I guess we can deduce that #1451 (a) would then be a DWM stock produced in 1915?
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great deducing by all and great find that finally came to you
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Great deduction..."say goodnight Gracie...Goodnight George"...
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I'm up to my kiester is stitches..Hard to keep all this straight. I guess I can find time to study in the nursing home.
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Jerry,
Why do you think your board stock would be appropriate for a 1915 LP.08?
I believe that the serial numbering restarted at number 1 with each new year of production. This would leave 1916, 1917 and 1918 as additional possibilities.
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Why do you think your board stock would be appropriate for a 1915 LP.08?
I believe that the serial numbering restarted at number 1 with each new year of production. This would leave 1916, 1917 and 1918 as additional possibilities.
One of four makes sense to me.
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Herman.



750+ 15,000 =15,750 so if we discount 10,000 for no suffix this leaves us with 5,750 in the a suffix for 1915? This one being #1457 a of this next 10,000a?



That's supposing they continued the 750 no suffix made in 1914 up to the 10,000 in 1915? Then started the (a) suffix after 10,000 was reached in 1915.



If the no suffix was stopped at 750 at the end of 1914..but begins again at 0 at the start of 1915 with an (a) suffix this stock would match up with #1457 (a) made at the beginning of a new 10,000 run?



Seems like either way this fits 1915. But I am always looking for help. I am willing to see it another way if it makes sense? I could be 25% right!


Yes, You are surely correct. Could be the beginning of any given year...I wonder..is there no way to tell which?


So, this means there could be 4 pistols out there that match?
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