Is the C96 forum active?

Olle · 12-30-2015, 08:12 PM

I tried to register on "the new 1896 Mauser forum" (http://askmrscience.com/1896mauser/) several months ago, but never received the confirmation email. Tried to do it again today, now it says that my username and password are good, but not verified. Does anybody know if the forum is active?

DonVoigt · 12-30-2015, 08:51 PM

Ollie,
I'd have to say no, after reading the specs.
No admin post since Jan. 2015,
last post of any kind was in Aug., 2015.

Only 20 posts total.

Sounds like it didn't take off.

alvin · 12-30-2015, 09:01 PM

I submitted an application a year ago, but its operator did not approve me to join.

There is another mailing list on yahoo. But members focused on talking bore relining ten years ago. And I just checked, it's the same topic today. That's amazing. In theory, I assume those guns need relining already done... But God knows, probably need relining again after ten years.

Olle · 01-01-2016, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by alvin

I submitted an application a year ago, but its operator did not approve me to join.

I guess they didn't think you have enough interest in Broomhandles.

Seriously, did you actually get a reply saying that they didn't approve you? I got nothing at all. No wonder the forum doesn't take off, seems to be impossible to join.

alvin · 01-01-2016, 09:30 AM

Being here is not bad. I mean, Broomhandle collectors usually have a few Lugers too (I had six in the past, from 1900 to Interarms), some Luger collectors also have a few Broomhandles, I also saw that. And, these German guns have many generic things in common. We can learn something from each other from time to time.

Sergio Natali · 01-01-2016, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Being here is not bad. I mean, Broomhandle collectors usually have a few Lugers too (I had six in the past, from 1900 to Interarms), some Luger collectors also have a few Broomhandles, I also saw that. And, these German guns have many generic things in common. We can learn something from each other from time to time.

I agree you're right, but it's a shame that broomhandle forum doesn't work as it could.

sheepherder · 01-01-2016, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

I agree you're right, but it's a shame that broomhandle forum doesn't work as it could.

Did we ever find out what happened to Nemo??? www.m1896.com I mean (I think that was the URL). I know it was taken over by virus people, but IIRC, Nemo only lived a few blocks away from Alvin.

Nemo had a lot of good stuff there; giant color cutaway views of C96; history of Mauser C96, listing of year of mfg by serial number, lots of links. I was sorry to see it go.

alvin · 01-01-2016, 10:10 AM

He must be a guy with talent but he's very shy. To live on internet, we all figured this: cannot be too sensitive

Olle · 01-01-2016, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Being here is not bad. I mean, Broomhandle collectors usually have a few Lugers too (I had six in the past, from 1900 to Interarms), some Luger collectors also have a few Broomhandles, I also saw that. And, these German guns have many generic things in common. We can learn something from each other from time to time.

I don't specialize in Broomhandles by any means, far from it actually. The reason why I wanted to join was to find specific information, like stickys with tips on how to fix common problems and such. But I have enough projects already, so I'm not too worried about it.

Douglas Jr. · 01-28-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Nemo had a lot of good stuff there; giant color cutaway views of C96; history of Mauser C96, listing of year of mfg by serial number, lots of links. I was sorry to see it go.

Someone made a back up site, in order to save the information posted in the site - but not the forum, that was beyond any help:

http://home.kpn.nl/vlimmere/index.htm

I think it was Vlim that made this ersatz site

Sergio Natali · 01-29-2016, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas Jr.

Someone made a back up site, in order to save the information posted in the site - but not the forum, that was beyond any help:

http://home.kpn.nl/vlimmere/index.htm

I think it was Vlim that made this ersatz site

Thanks, it's a pity for that forum though.

DonVoigt · 01-29-2016, 01:49 PM

Thanks to Vilm for saving the data on the site.

alvin · 01-29-2016, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Thanks, it's a pity for that forum though.

It's not really a forum. It's more like a bulletin board.

Sergio Natali · 01-30-2016, 05:02 AM

Yes, but it's pretty interesting in any case.

alvin · 01-30-2016, 05:58 AM

Met a collector. He told me that he had over 100 broomhandles, all in excellent condition (important context, because collecting 100 Chinese imports takes no effort at all). Of course, I did not see the collection, so I have no way to judge... very unusual though. Probably it's not rare to see a collector having 100 or 150 excellent Lugers, but it's very rare to see a collector having over 100 excellent broomhandles. Even early book author like Belford,,, he had more than 200 Lugers... but not 100 Broomhandles. Dunlap probably had over 200 broomhandles, that's very very exceptional in gun collecting.

Thought about this... do we really need 100 or 200... probably no. I just need one more, a special one, System Mauser with s/n under 370. If one day I can get one, I will sell some of my guns to support it financially. No need to be mint, a worn 10-shot gun is OK, but needs to be matching and correct.

Before that happens, I will collect based on "what's available". That's a typical accumulator's behavior, not a collector's behavior, I know. But, cannot do it better. "planned" is not there, what else can be done...

DavidJayUden · 01-30-2016, 09:36 AM

I agree that the Yahoo forum is mostly focused on the Broom Closet and relining issues, but whose fault is that? Someone posts there only about once every 3 days. If you want it take it back!
dju

Sergio Natali · 01-30-2016, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Met a collector. He told me that he had over 100 broomhandles, all in excellent condition (important context, because collecting 100 Chinese imports takes no effort at all). Of course, I did not see the collection, so I have no way to judge... very unusual though. Probably it's not rare to see a collector having 100 or 150 excellent Lugers, but it's very rare to see a collector having over 100 excellent broomhandles. Even early book author like Belford,,, he had more than 200 Lugers... but not 100 Broomhandles. Dunlap probably had over 200 broomhandles, that's very very exceptional in gun collecting.

Thought about this... do we really need 100 or 200... probably no. I just need one more, a special one, System Mauser with s/n under 370. If one day I can get one, I will sell some of my guns to support it financially. No need to be mint, a worn 10-shot gun is OK, but needs to be matching and correct.

Before that happens, I will collect based on "what's available". That's a typical accumulator's behavior, not a collector's behavior, I know. But, cannot do it better. "planned" is not there, what else can be done...

I've got only a few myself, here very few people collect MAUSERs C96 and the ones I met have mainly junk. Like as I said in other occasions for Lugers, and for 1911s many people do not know what they are collecting at all.

alvin · 01-30-2016, 01:20 PM

Today, I met a guy talking Mauser (in real life). Here is the story.

I visited a local gun store today. There were a few guys surrounding a salesman in showroom, chatting on guns. Initially, I did not pay attention. But I heard the sales guy mentioned "Mauser and Luger blah blah", then, I started listening....

He said, "There was a Mauser Red 9, it has been in gun show for a few sessions but it does not sell. The gun is great, but the seller wants four grand!! No, no, we don't do business that way. We sell DPMS in much reasonable price"

Surprise, surprise, he knew Red 9 nick name, so, he knew something for sure. Most people don't know. But Red 9's image in his mind is obviously an overpriced pistol (being fair, it's not cheap, but $4k is not totally out of range in today's market, depends).

I thought about saying "four grand... good or bad , depends". But I hold myself and did not say anything. Gun show? Must be local show in Marlboro... why did I go there and take a look at this expensive-to-death pistol??

So I went to the gun show, even paid $12 at the door for admission. I did not see that Red 9 though. Only saw a few reblued Lugers on tables. A Banner Luger, professionally restored, asking $4500. I came out with two boxes of PPU ammo.

Sergio Natali · 01-30-2016, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Today, I met a guy talking Mauser (in real life). Here is the story.

I visited a local gun store today. There were a few guys surrounding a salesman in showroom, chatting on guns. Initially, I did not pay attention. But I heard the sales guy mentioned "Mauser and Luger blah blah", then, I started listening....

He said, "There was a Mauser Red 9, it has been in gun show for a few sessions but it does not sell. The gun is great, but the seller wants four grand!! No, no, we don't do business that way. We sell DPMS in much reasonable price"

Surprise, surprise, he knew Red 9 nick name, so, he knew something for sure. Most people don't know. But Red 9's image in his mind is obviously an overpriced pistol (being fair, it's not cheap, but $4k is not totally out of range in today's market, depends).

I thought about saying "four grand... good or bad , depends on gun". But I hold myself and did not say anything. Gun show? Must be local show in Marlboro... why did I go there and take a look at this expensive-to-death pistol??

So I went to the gun show, even paid $12 at the door for admission. I did not see that Red 9 though. Only saw a few reblued Lugers on tables. A Banner Luger, professionally restored, asking $4500. I came out with two boxes of PPU ammo.

Unfortunately too many people only talk talk talk because they have a mouth under the nose...

alvin · 01-30-2016, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Unfortunately too many people only talk talk talk because they have a mouth under the nose...

Sorry, you did not get what is hidden in his mind.

It revealed one thing: there are many potential new collectors having interest in this type, so they are talking this. But the cost is too high, they don't want to spend too much or cannot afford on a great one. Low end C96 with smaller price tag should grow some value in near future when demand increases. Of course, not too low, still need to be safely shootable (more than paper weight, otherwise cannot compare with DPMS).

I bet some of them will go mid and higher end C96 too. The Large Ring listed by Joe Salter and FlatSide listed by Simpson are not low end guns, but they were sold at lighting speed. Current market trend is actually not bad.

12-30-2015, 08:12 PM	#1
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 663 Times in 318 Posts	Is the C96 forum active? I tried to register on "the new 1896 Mauser forum" (http://askmrscience.com/1896mauser/) several months ago, but never received the confirmation email. Tried to do it again today, now it says that my username and password are good, but not verified. Does anybody know if the forum is active?

12-30-2015, 08:51 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Ollie, I'd have to say no, after reading the specs. No admin post since Jan. 2015, last post of any kind was in Aug., 2015. Only 20 posts total. Sounds like it didn't take off. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-29-2016, 01:49 PM	#12
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Thanks to Vilm for saving the data on the site. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-30-2016, 05:02 AM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Yes, but it's pretty interesting in any case. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-30-2015, 09:01 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I submitted an application a year ago, but its operator did not approve me to join. There is another mailing list on yahoo. But members focused on talking bore relining ten years ago. And I just checked, it's the same topic today. That's amazing. In theory, I assume those guns need relining already done... But God knows, probably need relining again after ten years.

01-01-2016, 09:30 AM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Being here is not bad. I mean, Broomhandle collectors usually have a few Lugers too (I had six in the past, from 1900 to Interarms), some Luger collectors also have a few Broomhandles, I also saw that. And, these German guns have many generic things in common. We can learn something from each other from time to time.

01-01-2016, 10:10 AM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	He must be a guy with talent but he's very shy. To live on internet, we all figured this: cannot be too sensitive

01-30-2016, 05:58 AM	#15
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Met a collector. He told me that he had over 100 broomhandles, all in excellent condition (important context, because collecting 100 Chinese imports takes no effort at all). Of course, I did not see the collection, so I have no way to judge... very unusual though. Probably it's not rare to see a collector having 100 or 150 excellent Lugers, but it's very rare to see a collector having over 100 excellent broomhandles. Even early book author like Belford,,, he had more than 200 Lugers... but not 100 Broomhandles. Dunlap probably had over 200 broomhandles, that's very very exceptional in gun collecting. Thought about this... do we really need 100 or 200... probably no. I just need one more, a special one, System Mauser with s/n under 370. If one day I can get one, I will sell some of my guns to support it financially. No need to be mint, a worn 10-shot gun is OK, but needs to be matching and correct. Before that happens, I will collect based on "what's available". That's a typical accumulator's behavior, not a collector's behavior, I know. But, cannot do it better. "planned" is not there, what else can be done...

01-30-2016, 09:36 AM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I agree that the Yahoo forum is mostly focused on the Broom Closet and relining issues, but whose fault is that? Someone posts there only about once every 3 days. If you want it take it back! dju

01-30-2016, 01:20 PM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Today, I met a guy talking Mauser (in real life). Here is the story. I visited a local gun store today. There were a few guys surrounding a salesman in showroom, chatting on guns. Initially, I did not pay attention. But I heard the sales guy mentioned "Mauser and Luger blah blah", then, I started listening.... He said, "There was a Mauser Red 9, it has been in gun show for a few sessions but it does not sell. The gun is great, but the seller wants four grand!! No, no, we don't do business that way. We sell DPMS in much reasonable price" Surprise, surprise, he knew Red 9 nick name, so, he knew something for sure. Most people don't know. But Red 9's image in his mind is obviously an overpriced pistol (being fair, it's not cheap, but $4k is not totally out of range in today's market, depends). I thought about saying "four grand... good or bad , depends". But I hold myself and did not say anything. Gun show? Must be local show in Marlboro... why did I go there and take a look at this expensive-to-death pistol?? So I went to the gun show, even paid $12 at the door for admission. I did not see that Red 9 though. Only saw a few reblued Lugers on tables. A Banner Luger, professionally restored, asking $4500. I came out with two boxes of PPU ammo.