The antigun $#&% has hit the fan - Page 4

mrerick · 01-05-2013, 10:45 AM

If you have been watching the news over the past days, you will see that general interest in Gun Control has waned (the number of Google searches on the subject is way down).

That poses problems for the current administration. Yet daily you see Joe Biden or Gabby Giffords in the news saying or doing something related to the issue.

What you are witnessing now is the regular "drumbeat" of publicity, and it's very likely that it's a formally planned roll out of "information" coordinated by press relations people paid for by the anti gun people.

It's called "spin".

This is why once or twice a day, someone with national visibility says or does something to remind the general public that "guns are bad", and "something will be done".

With enough repetition, they know that people in the middle will buy into this since they are unfamiliar with guns personally, and only have the constantly repeated negative images of artificial gun violence and hyper-publicized real criminal attacks to base opinions on.

We need to counter with an even stronger drum beat that shares the truth:

- In November and December, 2012 there were 5 million background checks for gun purchases (one or more) cleared by the Federal NCIS system.

- Our violent crime rate is about one third the rate of geographies with complete gun control in place like Britian.

- Less than 5 percent of all murders are committed with rifles of all types (including semi-automatics). They are not the problem. Criminals are.

- Criminals, by their nature and acts, only respect the immediate application of effective counter-force. Taking away firearms of any type makes law abiding citizens vulnerable, and is against our constitution.

Marc

Curly1 · 01-05-2013, 12:06 PM

Agreed criminals are the main problem but only because the legal system keeps releasing them back upon us.

MikeP · 01-05-2013, 05:55 PM

Re update;
They are coming back for a vote Sunday evening.
Apparently enough evil henchmen have been rounded up to convince them they can win.

This is a lame duck session, being conducted by folkd who will be out of a job on the 10th.

This is a parting shot from those whose political career is not at risk.

Don't forget Biden and his bunch are hard at work in the dark.

It is a new day and they are coming out swinging lile never before-means they have got lots of momentum they never had before,

You can talk all the history and philosophy yoy wish, but a new day is here and it don't look bright.

I don't believe this is anywhere near the end of things they intend for the future.

We'll see.

NoncomRetired · 01-05-2013, 06:28 PM

I was unaware of that. I will be waiting for it's outcome. Nothing mentioned on the STL area news tonight either.

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeP

Re update;
They are coming back for a vote Sunday evening.
Apparently enough evil henchmen have been rounded up to convince them they can win.

This is a lame duck session, being conducted by folkd who will be out of a job on the 10th.

This is a parting shot from those whose political career is not at risk.

Don't forget Biden and his bunch are hard at work in the dark.

It is a new day and they are coming out swinging lile never before-means they have got lots of momentum they never had before,

You can talk all the history and philosophy yoy wish, but a new day is here and it don't look bright.

I don't believe this is anywhere near the end of things they intend for the future.

We'll see.

NoncomRetired · 01-06-2013, 12:11 PM

At 5PM today the Illinois House comes to order. One of the Bills will require all automatic pistol owners to register each pistol with a cost of 10-15 dollars per pistol and pistols and they can not be inherited. We will see.

NoncomRetired · 01-06-2013, 07:05 PM

Vote in the Illinois House was canceled............

MikeP · 01-07-2013, 01:10 AM

It was cancelled for the rest of the lame duck session.

They have had a similar bill in waiting for a long time, but cannot get enough momentum.
They sure came close this time.
There are lots of us downstate and the rest of the stae, actually, bu a couple population centers control everything,

They have not given up and the feds are next up.
They are also pretty quiet on crafting the the pending CCW imple,emtation.

Some fear it will be restrictive like NY.
I admit it will be a bit strange being amongst a bunch of suddenly armed folks who have no history or practice being armed.

NoncomRetired · 01-07-2013, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeP

They are also pretty quiet on crafting the the pending CCW imple,emtation.

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Even those pro-gun lobbyist are staying quiet. For sure, all the anti-gunner Illinois politicians will try to make it as hard and as expensive as possible and use all that has happened lately with guns as an excuse. Watch and wait is the norm..........

01-05-2013, 10:45 AM	#61
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	If you have been watching the news over the past days, you will see that general interest in Gun Control has waned (the number of Google searches on the subject is way down). That poses problems for the current administration. Yet daily you see Joe Biden or Gabby Giffords in the news saying or doing something related to the issue. What you are witnessing now is the regular "drumbeat" of publicity, and it's very likely that it's a formally planned roll out of "information" coordinated by press relations people paid for by the anti gun people. It's called "spin". This is why once or twice a day, someone with national visibility says or does something to remind the general public that "guns are bad", and "something will be done". With enough repetition, they know that people in the middle will buy into this since they are unfamiliar with guns personally, and only have the constantly repeated negative images of artificial gun violence and hyper-publicized real criminal attacks to base opinions on. We need to counter with an even stronger drum beat that shares the truth: - In November and December, 2012 there were 5 million background checks for gun purchases (one or more) cleared by the Federal NCIS system. - Our violent crime rate is about one third the rate of geographies with complete gun control in place like Britian. - Less than 5 percent of all murders are committed with rifles of all types (including semi-automatics). They are not the problem. Criminals are. - Criminals, by their nature and acts, only respect the immediate application of effective counter-force. Taking away firearms of any type makes law abiding citizens vulnerable, and is against our constitution. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-05-2013, 12:06 PM	#62
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,228 Thanks: 111 Thanked 702 Times in 364 Posts	Agreed criminals are the main problem but only because the legal system keeps releasing them back upon us. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

01-06-2013, 12:11 PM	#65
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	At 5PM today the Illinois House comes to order. One of the Bills will require all automatic pistol owners to register each pistol with a cost of 10-15 dollars per pistol and pistols and they can not be inherited. We will see. Last edited by NoncomRetired; 01-06-2013 at 07:06 PM.

01-05-2013, 05:55 PM	#63
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Re update; They are coming back for a vote Sunday evening. Apparently enough evil henchmen have been rounded up to convince them they can win. This is a lame duck session, being conducted by folkd who will be out of a job on the 10th. This is a parting shot from those whose political career is not at risk. Don't forget Biden and his bunch are hard at work in the dark. It is a new day and they are coming out swinging lile never before-means they have got lots of momentum they never had before, You can talk all the history and philosophy yoy wish, but a new day is here and it don't look bright. I don't believe this is anywhere near the end of things they intend for the future. We'll see.

01-06-2013, 07:05 PM	#66
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	Vote in the Illinois House was canceled............

01-07-2013, 01:10 AM	#67
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	It was cancelled for the rest of the lame duck session. They have had a similar bill in waiting for a long time, but cannot get enough momentum. They sure came close this time. There are lots of us downstate and the rest of the stae, actually, bu a couple population centers control everything, They have not given up and the feds are next up. They are also pretty quiet on crafting the the pending CCW imple,emtation. Some fear it will be restrictive like NY. I admit it will be a bit strange being amongst a bunch of suddenly armed folks who have no history or practice being armed.