Anyone getting a STG-44 (22 LR) carbine? - Page 3

mjanway · 01-19-2013, 09:52 PM

Saw one at the gun show today. $600. Was getting quite a bit of attention.

padredan · 01-19-2013, 11:07 PM

600 is what the sell for at least for now. and you get a really nice pine box with it.

kzullick · 01-20-2013, 09:15 AM

I checked one out yesterday and did not care for it the stamped body reminded me of a toy guns when I was a kid. And yes it was heavy.

padredan · 01-20-2013, 01:45 PM

I got mine for 600 with the box, I agree the casting does look cheap, because it is, i got past those issues, because i do not plan on shooting it alot. way i look at it , who knows if there will be anymore of them, better to buy it now and not get one later.

sheepherder · 02-28-2013, 06:35 PM

The GSG Forum is rife with complaints about the GSG StG-44 shooting way low...Nobody from GSG or ATI will say why...Whether it's the .22LR HV ammunition here in US being weaker or or the profile of the .22 rifle being faithful to the more powerful 7.92mm Kurz round...(IOW, they copied the 7.92 rifle sight)...

Some are jacking up the rear sight base ~1/4"; a very few have filed the front sight down...

Anyone here have any problems with it shooting low???

(I haven't fired mine...I'm afraid if I carry it outside anywhere, I will have black SUV's coming out of everywhere)...

padredan · 02-28-2013, 08:43 PM

you bet ,it does

sheepherder · 02-28-2013, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by padredan

you bet ,it does

I've read of one owner stacking three 1/4" flat washers under each rear sight base screw (under the sight leaf flat spring)...Another put two 1/4" nuts under the sight base...

The ideal 'fix' would be a black Delrin rectangle under the sight base...It might look a bit odd...Or maybe not...

sheepherder · 03-02-2013, 09:06 AM

ARFCOM thread (with pics) on shimming the rear sight base -

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_41/39...SG_StG_44.html

sheepherder · 03-03-2013, 08:59 AM

...And Mark Serbu has a video on YouTube (one of many on the StG-44!) comparing an original StG-44 to the GSG .22LR StG-44...

http://youtu.be/vrxyx4XF0B4

I was surprised at how slow a rate of fire the original 7.92 x 33 caliber StG-44 has, in full auto mode...

alanint · 03-03-2013, 11:47 AM

I've shot Mark's real Stg 44. Very sweet shooting gun.

sheepherder · 03-03-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

I've shot Mark's real Stg 44. Very sweet shooting gun.

How is the recoil??? Comparable to, say, the 7.62 x 39 Russian round???

I was also surprised at how [relatively] quiet that rifle was...

Ezra · 03-03-2013, 01:48 PM

Chamber it in 8x33, make it semi auto and compatible with original magazines and I'll be all over it.

Ez

alanint · 03-03-2013, 04:21 PM

Recoil is negligible. The 7.92X33 round is slightly less powerful than the 7.62x39 and real Stg's have a really long, strong recoil spring. Nothing ever bottoms out as far as travel under recoil. I've even fired a rare MKb 42(H), which was nicer still, but forget trying to find one of these.

sheepherder · 03-03-2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezra

Chamber it in 8x33, make it semi auto and compatible with original magazines and I'll be all over it.

Ez

Not possible. It's Zinc, not steel; cast, not pressed sheet metal; simplified to take a generic .22 action; and the visible features are almost all fake (as relates to the 'real' StG-44)...

There was a company in Germany (still is) that makes a real semi-auto version, steel, all functional, practically identical, even in 7.92 x 33...but you can't import it, and it cost $5,000+ some years ago...I have the URL somewhere, might even be in this thread...

Sport Systeme Dittrich

Olle · 04-21-2014, 09:48 AM

I finally broke down and got on one of these at a gun show a couple of days ago. It's a very nicely detailed replica, even though the non-working features and the "Schmeisser" logo are a bit annoying. I don't know if these will ever be collectible, but I couldn't resist the urge to take it out in the field and test fire it. I had the same problem as everybody else seems to have, the rifle shoots nice and straight but about 4"-5" low at 50 yards. The fix Sheepherder linked to looks like the slickest way to correct this, and it should be very easy to make a spacer. I might even make a few extra ones for those who like to shoot theirs.

The trigger pull is a bit heavy but also very crisp, the sights are excellent and the recoil is pretty much non-existent due to the weight of the gun, so it was easy to stay on target during rapid fire excercises. I had a couple of misfeeds, but overall it performed very well. I got it mostly for the looks, but I suspect that this one will be used a lot.

daryl469 · 05-16-2014, 07:32 PM

I've been fortunate enough to have a real MP43/1 and the new STG44. The comparisons are amazing. Very realistic and very heavy! If they would bring this out in 7.62x39, they would not be able to make them fast enough.

rhuff · 01-28-2015, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 415m3

At this year's Shot Show, they had a prototype of the MP-40 version. Slated for release in 2013 if they can get the final version working properly.

Apparently GSG had a prototype MP40 at this years Shot Show in 9mm caliber. They have submitted one/some to BATFE for their o.k. It will be offered, if approved, as a pistol sans stock, but if you get the SBR paperwork, they will sell you the folding stock. They are quoting a possible MSRP of $500. Might just be most interesting, to say the least.

pappers1 · 01-28-2015, 03:19 PM

Hi all, Just FYI they are making a MP40 in 22, and maybe making it in 9mm.
Here is a link that I saw it at:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/firs...hot-show-2015/

rhuff · 01-29-2015, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pappers1

Hi all, Just FYI they are making a MP40 in 22, and maybe making it in 9mm.
Here is a link that I saw it at:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/firs...hot-show-2015/

Yes, that link is where I got my information from.

Sergio Natali · 01-29-2015, 03:11 PM

Recently I've seen one for sale at the equivalent price of about USD 4600.00
If I'm not wrong these guns were made by Erfurter Machinefabrik in 1945
Erma total production was of about 104k of them.
This one has got the waffenamt mark WaW280
It's chambered 8 kurz (8x33)
These guns are not rare, as they had been used also by DDR VolksPolizei.
Unfortunately they are not my sort of gun.

Sergio

01-19-2013, 11:07 PM	#42
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	600 is what the sell for at least for now. and you get a really nice pine box with it. Attached Thumbnails __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

01-20-2013, 01:45 PM	#44
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	I got mine for 600 with the box, I agree the casting does look cheap, because it is, i got past those issues, because i do not plan on shooting it alot. way i look at it , who knows if there will be anymore of them, better to buy it now and not get one later. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

02-28-2013, 06:35 PM	#45
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	The GSG Forum is rife with complaints about the GSG StG-44 shooting way low...Nobody from GSG or ATI will say why...Whether it's the .22LR HV ammunition here in US being weaker or or the profile of the .22 rifle being faithful to the more powerful 7.92mm Kurz round...(IOW, they copied the 7.92 rifle sight)... Some are jacking up the rear sight base ~1/4"; a very few have filed the front sight down... Anyone here have any problems with it shooting low??? (I haven't fired mine...I'm afraid if I carry it outside anywhere, I will have black SUV's coming out of everywhere)... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-28-2013, 08:43 PM	#46
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	you bet ,it does __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

03-02-2013, 09:06 AM	#48
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	ARFCOM thread (with pics) on shimming the rear sight base - http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_41/39...SG_StG_44.html __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-19-2013, 09:52 PM	#41
mjanway User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 54 Thanks: 31 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Saw one at the gun show today. $600. Was getting quite a bit of attention.

01-20-2013, 09:15 AM	#43
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 609 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	I checked one out yesterday and did not care for it the stamped body reminded me of a toy guns when I was a kid. And yes it was heavy.

03-03-2013, 08:59 AM	#49
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	...And Mark Serbu has a video on YouTube (one of many on the StG-44!) comparing an original StG-44 to the GSG .22LR StG-44... http://youtu.be/vrxyx4XF0B4 I was surprised at how slow a rate of fire the original 7.92 x 33 caliber StG-44 has, in full auto mode... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-03-2013, 11:47 AM	#50
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I've shot Mark's real Stg 44. Very sweet shooting gun.

03-03-2013, 01:48 PM	#52
Ezra User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 43 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Chamber it in 8x33, make it semi auto and compatible with original magazines and I'll be all over it. Ez

03-03-2013, 04:21 PM	#53
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Recoil is negligible. The 7.92X33 round is slightly less powerful than the 7.62x39 and real Stg's have a really long, strong recoil spring. Nothing ever bottoms out as far as travel under recoil. I've even fired a rare MKb 42(H), which was nicer still, but forget trying to find one of these.

04-21-2014, 09:48 AM	#55
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 663 Times in 318 Posts	I finally broke down and got on one of these at a gun show a couple of days ago. It's a very nicely detailed replica, even though the non-working features and the "Schmeisser" logo are a bit annoying. I don't know if these will ever be collectible, but I couldn't resist the urge to take it out in the field and test fire it. I had the same problem as everybody else seems to have, the rifle shoots nice and straight but about 4"-5" low at 50 yards. The fix Sheepherder linked to looks like the slickest way to correct this, and it should be very easy to make a spacer. I might even make a few extra ones for those who like to shoot theirs. The trigger pull is a bit heavy but also very crisp, the sights are excellent and the recoil is pretty much non-existent due to the weight of the gun, so it was easy to stay on target during rapid fire excercises. I had a couple of misfeeds, but overall it performed very well. I got it mostly for the looks, but I suspect that this one will be used a lot.

05-16-2014, 07:32 PM	#56
daryl469 User Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Stg44 I've been fortunate enough to have a real MP43/1 and the new STG44. The comparisons are amazing. Very realistic and very heavy! If they would bring this out in 7.62x39, they would not be able to make them fast enough.

01-28-2015, 03:19 PM	#58
pappers1 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: PA, USA Posts: 32 Thanks: 14 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi all, Just FYI they are making a MP40 in 22, and maybe making it in 9mm. Here is a link that I saw it at: http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/firs...hot-show-2015/

01-29-2015, 03:11 PM	#60
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Recently I've seen one for sale at the equivalent price of about USD 4600.00 If I'm not wrong these guns were made by Erfurter Machinefabrik in 1945 Erma total production was of about 104k of them. This one has got the waffenamt mark WaW280 It's chambered 8 kurz (8x33) These guns are not rare, as they had been used also by DDR VolksPolizei. Unfortunately they are not my sort of gun. Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.