The Newtown Ct shooting A dark day in our history - Page 4

lugerholsterrepair · 12-17-2012, 12:19 PM

Dan, It's extremely unfortunate that politicians will never have a rational intelligent discourse leading to meaningful results for a free America..even though there are enough facts out there to provide for that discussion. What IS likely to take place is a gob of feelgood directives/laws that will rob Americans of even more freedoms like the airport security we have been forced to endure for more than a decade. None of which will solve the problem. IF there is a solution to be found..

I just sat down in the leather shop this morning and I often have a small TV on as background noise..a predominant advertisement comes on with what I can only believe to be a horribly violent movie to be released Jan. 4th... Texas Chain Saw Massacre #3. The "Entertainment Industry" marches on with movies, vidio games and gansta rap that rub violence in the face of people who want it. People ask why didn't these things take place in the 40's & 50's but the answer to that question might be found in Hollywood. Hard to say but it's a thought. Technology like smart phones resulting in less social interaction might have a price.

Ron Wood · 12-17-2012, 12:37 PM

I agree 100% with you Jerry. Our youth, and the public in general, has become desensitized to violence. Movies and television are filled with killing and massive demonstrations of firepower. An anvil can drop on Wile E. Coyote and he comes back to life, but the actors are not shown as being resurrected and the non-reality of "reality violence" is not depicted. The value of human life is no longer honored. Roy Rogers is not around to shoot the gun out of the villains hand and beat him senseless with his fists. America has lost its innocence and I fear it will never return.

skeeter4206 · 12-17-2012, 12:56 PM

I cant agree with you more Ron. When I was in high school, when two people had their diffrences, they usually would fight it out. With there hands, and go on with their life. Alive! Their feelings may be hurt if they got their but beat. These days kids are just to scarred or for ever reason dont settle their diffrences thos way anymore.

When I was in school, paddlings were still around. Parents didnt get turned in for child abuse for giving your child a wiping. People just thought differently back then I guess on how to discipline there there kids.

Todays society deffinetly has a different perspective on things. Values of life sometimes are just not appreciated.

mrerick · 12-17-2012, 01:00 PM

At GRNC, we've been looking into the impact of the 1996 Federal "Gun Free Zones Act".

Starting with the first mass shooting in 1968 at the University of Texas, we counted the number of school related incidents through 1996; then counted the number from 1996 to the present.

Since the implementation of the Federal law, the number of incidents at schools has risen about 5 times; the number of deaths has risen about 3 times.

Violent criminals seems to choose slaughtering children at schools because it is a path of least resistance. For a period of time, there is likely to be nobody to stop their actions.

We now know that when the first person at the Oregon mall shooting showed up with the ability to stop the criminal, the criminal committed suicide. That appears to be what happened at Sandy Hook.

States are allowed to preempt this law with their own rules, and Connecticut allows people with Connecticut Concealed Handgun Permits to carry on school campuses with the approval of local school officials.

The characteristics of the viscous Sandy Hook School attack (multiple unnecessary shots into victims, including the criminal's mother) seems to reflect conditioning, probably from first person video games.

This is a true story... A few years ago, a friend of mine (who is a school guidance councilor) asked a student what he wanted to do as a career. The student told him that he wanted to be a NYC police man. When my friend asked him why, he said, "so that I can shoot people". Taken slightly aback, my friend asked him why he didn't consider a career in the military where he could also shoot people. The student told him that it would be much more exciting on the streets of New York City...

I think that all the conditioning of artificial violence in the media and in video games is certainly contributing to this problem, especially with marginal and unbalanced youth.

Marc

lugerholsterrepair · 12-17-2012, 01:11 PM

More than 2500 films are released every year and only a few are highly publiscized. What is interesting is that in 2012 you would think pornography would be the best seller but it's not. Horror films are by far. Pornography is second. We have thrown sewage onto the beds we let our children sleep in. America created this monster for itself and it will not be easily stopped. 20 young children are the most recent ticket price to our collective disfunction.

Olle · 12-17-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

More than 2500 films are released every year and only a few are highly publiscized. What is interesting is that in 2012 you would think pornography would be the best seller but it's not. Horror films are by far. Pornography is second. We have thrown sewage onto the beds we let our children sleep in. America created this monster for itself and it will not be easily stopped. 20 young children are the most recent ticket price to our collective disfunction.

IMO, they are just producing what people are craving, and I believe the popularity of these movies is a sign of a deeper problem. It's just like alcohol: The problem is not that it's available, the question is: Why do people drink?

lew1 · 12-17-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Curly1

I read in the paper yesterday the moms was a into guns and went to the range with her sons.

My daughters, especially one, are into guns. She has an AR15, AK47, two \scoped rifles, a few shotguns, and two 9mm pistols, and almost forgot - a muzzlelloader rifle.

She has taken her two boys, now 12 and 16 to the range and hunting. The 12 year old boy got a deer last year. The older one got his first deer a few years ago.

The 12 year old boy has for the last year been shooting squirrels in the back yard with a bow and arrow. (If you think it is easy to do so, just try it.) Can't use a rifle as houses are too close.

Per se, there is nothing wrong with mom's being into guns.

Steve Lempitski · 12-17-2012, 02:59 PM

"IMO, they are just producing what people are craving"
SO TRUE -like Al Capone was reputed to say "Im a businessman - when the people no longer want prostituition and alcohol, I will stop supplying them"

12-17-2012, 12:19 PM	#61
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Dan, It's extremely unfortunate that politicians will never have a rational intelligent discourse leading to meaningful results for a free America..even though there are enough facts out there to provide for that discussion. What IS likely to take place is a gob of feelgood directives/laws that will rob Americans of even more freedoms like the airport security we have been forced to endure for more than a decade. None of which will solve the problem. IF there is a solution to be found.. I just sat down in the leather shop this morning and I often have a small TV on as background noise..a predominant advertisement comes on with what I can only believe to be a horribly violent movie to be released Jan. 4th... Texas Chain Saw Massacre #3. The "Entertainment Industry" marches on with movies, vidio games and gansta rap that rub violence in the face of people who want it. People ask why didn't these things take place in the 40's & 50's but the answer to that question might be found in Hollywood. Hard to say but it's a thought. Technology like smart phones resulting in less social interaction might have a price. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-17-2012, 12:37 PM	#62
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	I agree 100% with you Jerry. Our youth, and the public in general, has become desensitized to violence. Movies and television are filled with killing and massive demonstrations of firepower. An anvil can drop on Wile E. Coyote and he comes back to life, but the actors are not shown as being resurrected and the non-reality of "reality violence" is not depicted. The value of human life is no longer honored. Roy Rogers is not around to shoot the gun out of the villains hand and beat him senseless with his fists. America has lost its innocence and I fear it will never return. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-17-2012, 01:00 PM	#64
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	At GRNC, we've been looking into the impact of the 1996 Federal "Gun Free Zones Act". Starting with the first mass shooting in 1968 at the University of Texas, we counted the number of school related incidents through 1996; then counted the number from 1996 to the present. Since the implementation of the Federal law, the number of incidents at schools has risen about 5 times; the number of deaths has risen about 3 times. Violent criminals seems to choose slaughtering children at schools because it is a path of least resistance. For a period of time, there is likely to be nobody to stop their actions. We now know that when the first person at the Oregon mall shooting showed up with the ability to stop the criminal, the criminal committed suicide. That appears to be what happened at Sandy Hook. States are allowed to preempt this law with their own rules, and Connecticut allows people with Connecticut Concealed Handgun Permits to carry on school campuses with the approval of local school officials. The characteristics of the viscous Sandy Hook School attack (multiple unnecessary shots into victims, including the criminal's mother) seems to reflect conditioning, probably from first person video games. This is a true story... A few years ago, a friend of mine (who is a school guidance councilor) asked a student what he wanted to do as a career. The student told him that he wanted to be a NYC police man. When my friend asked him why, he said, "so that I can shoot people". Taken slightly aback, my friend asked him why he didn't consider a career in the military where he could also shoot people. The student told him that it would be much more exciting on the streets of New York City... I think that all the conditioning of artificial violence in the media and in video games is certainly contributing to this problem, especially with marginal and unbalanced youth. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-17-2012, 01:11 PM	#65
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	More than 2500 films are released every year and only a few are highly publiscized. What is interesting is that in 2012 you would think pornography would be the best seller but it's not. Horror films are by far. Pornography is second. We have thrown sewage onto the beds we let our children sleep in. America created this monster for itself and it will not be easily stopped. 20 young children are the most recent ticket price to our collective disfunction. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-17-2012, 02:59 PM	#68
Steve Lempitski User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Old Cape Cod Posts: 238 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	"IMO, they are just producing what people are craving" SO TRUE -like Al Capone was reputed to say "Im a businessman - when the people no longer want prostituition and alcohol, I will stop supplying them" __________________ SJL

12-17-2012, 12:56 PM	#63
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	I cant agree with you more Ron. When I was in high school, when two people had their diffrences, they usually would fight it out. With there hands, and go on with their life. Alive! Their feelings may be hurt if they got their but beat. These days kids are just to scarred or for ever reason dont settle their diffrences thos way anymore. When I was in school, paddlings were still around. Parents didnt get turned in for child abuse for giving your child a wiping. People just thought differently back then I guess on how to discipline there there kids. Todays society deffinetly has a different perspective on things. Values of life sometimes are just not appreciated.