The Newtown Ct shooting A dark day in our history

padredan · 12-14-2012, 08:08 PM

Today 20 young school children and seven others were shot and killed at a elementry school , we as responsible gun owners and collectors know there will be fallout from this shooting, but let us remember the victims and their families at this time. Keep them in your prayers and thoughts Allso remember the survivors and all those that are struggling with this horrible act of violence ,words cannot convey the sense of loss that has effected those involved in this , May God grant them grace.

padredan · 12-14-2012, 08:15 PM

there are bits and peices coming out on the tragedy so far The weapons used in the attack were legally purchased and were registered to the gunman's mother, two law enforcement officials said. , this still does not take away the pain and suffering of those involved, but we as resposible gun owners need to know how the guns that were used were attained. Keep all the victims and their familes in your prayers.

lew1 · 12-14-2012, 08:20 PM

My prayers go to the families of the deceased, and to the surviving children who saw too much.

NoncomRetired · 12-14-2012, 08:53 PM

It was very hard watching tonight's national news, especially all the drive-by Media out for a news story, have they no shame!!!! We live in one very sick society today....Twenty innocent little lives wasted. I truely feel for the families for their loss and forever pain.......................

mrerick · 12-14-2012, 08:59 PM

I work with a Gun Rights group in North Carolina. It seems that the hysteria that is rising around this horrible tragic incident is now being fueled by our Washington Politicians.

The truth is that a Federal law (the Gun Free School Zones act) passed in 1990; declared unconstitutional in 1995 and re-enacted in slightly modified form in 1996 has enabled 5 times the number of annual school incidents and more than three times the annual loss of life.

- These criminals ignore all laws that normal citizens respect. Adam Lanza broke a large number of them.
- Criminals can predict that they will not be opposed while they slaughter our children at schools.
- More of the same lawmaking will not solve this problem. Protection Free Zones are just that - and violent criminals only respond to immediate opposing force.

I also share the grief for those that have lost loved ones, and disgust for the person that did this.

Marc

wayne8661 · 12-14-2012, 09:00 PM

I am a father of a young boy and this sickens me to no end. I will be sending many prayers out to the victims and their families. What a sin.

NoncomRetired · 12-14-2012, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

- These criminals ignore all laws that normal citizens respect. Adam Lanza broke a large number of them.

Marc

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato

padredan · 12-14-2012, 09:44 PM

The weapons used in the attack were legally purchased and were registered to the gunman's mother, two law enforcement officials said. take note the weapons were legal and still used to murder these children and others plus their owner.

wlyon · 12-15-2012, 12:05 AM

Right now we should only be thinking of the victims , their families , the community and our Nation. Our thoughts and prayers to all. Bill

padredan · 12-15-2012, 12:08 AM

Roger that, i was letting other information side track me from the main issue, which is praying for the victims and their familes. I believe all on this forum will agree on that.

lew1 · 12-15-2012, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padredan

The weapons used in the attack were legally purchased and were registered to the gunman's mother, two law enforcement officials said. take note the weapons were legal and still used to murder these children and others plus their owner.

We are going to be hearing there is a simple solution - ban all guns.

SteveM · 12-15-2012, 09:15 AM

I think of those folks and the loss of their children then think of my 2 grown daughters and how grateful I am that they were allowed to be kids and grow into young adults.

That being said, gun control worked here, everyone was unarmed except the shooter.

No guns available, no problem:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...est=latestnews

or this:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.an...e/disaster.htm

mrerick · 12-15-2012, 10:19 AM

As a 20 year old, the evil murderer in this incident did not have legal possession of his mother's firearms. 21 is the minimum age.

He also did not legally bring them onto the school campus.

As no school official had authorized a Connecticut CCW holder to carry on the school campus (permitted by Connecticut law), there was nobody there to stop him.

I mourn the loss caused by this act of evil. I hope that the victims that are still living can find peace.

Marc

Steve Lempitski · 12-15-2012, 10:54 AM

Sick thing is I have feared something like this...2 weeks ago I mentioned to a few buddies it is a little disturbing how everywhere the mainstream media has picked up on this Dec 21st crap. Even National Geographic channel, an educational channel, with shows such as "Doomsday Preppers" and Mayan prophecy end of the world scenario shows. All this is doing is setting a fatalistic tone for these mentally challenged people who believe this and setting a timeline for them to "settle" their made up grudges.

padredan · 12-15-2012, 11:48 AM

Perhaps, we struggle with answers as to why? Only the mind of one so depraved as the shooter can answer, we are truly a nation in mourning. Let us continue to pray and that those that have survived can one day overcome this.

Steve Lempitski · 12-15-2012, 12:51 PM

In 1994 living in WI, I was the first person on the scene of a policeman killed by a father and son team during their get-away from a bank robbery. The events of yesterday have brought back that day and those images which have been running through my head since yesterday. Bad enough I saw this at age 29...nevermind 5-10 which the survivors are. Pray for these children as well that they get the lifelong therapy they will need to deal with these memories.

drbuster · 12-15-2012, 01:35 PM

The real issue here, IMO, is the mind set of the perpetrator, who must have been very deranged and very full of anger. We may never know the fine details, but the problem of mental illness today is bigger than ever. The availability of guns simply lets such a sick person "vent"his anger more easily. This tragic event is just a symptom of poor recognition and treatment of mental illness in this country, not to mention the general breakdown of the family unit. Did the news mention whether this Lanza monster had a father?

lugerholsterrepair · 12-15-2012, 01:58 PM

The real issue besides grieving for the loss of innocents is why were these weapons and ammunition not secured?
This fellow apparently had Asperger syndrome and the Mother was aware of it and it's symptoms. If this proves to be the case.. leaving the weapons of mass destruction available to a person with this type of mental problem is the height of stupidity. Irrisponsible weapons security seems to have cost her her life.

NoncomRetired · 12-15-2012, 03:02 PM

When I'm out and about I am always sciencious of what's going on around me, force of habit I guess. Today I saw alot more mother's and father's out with their little kids holding on to them as to never letting them go. It was hard watching them and knowing the reason why they were spending time together today more than usual.

cirelaw · 12-15-2012, 03:39 PM

Much or the tragety has yet to be witten! Next will be anger directed at those who are perceived as those with any bit responsible! History has shown not much can be done to protect ourselves against a madman with a self believed mandate. I'm sure the entire assault was filmed on closed cameras. I hope!

12-14-2012, 08:08 PM	#1
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	The Newtown Ct shooting A dark day in our history Today 20 young school children and seven others were shot and killed at a elementry school , we as responsible gun owners and collectors know there will be fallout from this shooting, but let us remember the victims and their families at this time. Keep them in your prayers and thoughts Allso remember the survivors and all those that are struggling with this horrible act of violence ,words cannot convey the sense of loss that has effected those involved in this , May God grant them grace. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

12-14-2012, 08:15 PM	#2
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	there are bits and peices coming out on the tragedy so far The weapons used in the attack were legally purchased and were registered to the gunman's mother, two law enforcement officials said. , this still does not take away the pain and suffering of those involved, but we as resposible gun owners need to know how the guns that were used were attained. Keep all the victims and their familes in your prayers. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

12-14-2012, 08:20 PM	#3
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	My prayers go to the families of the deceased, and to the surviving children who saw too much. __________________ charlie

12-14-2012, 08:59 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I work with a Gun Rights group in North Carolina. It seems that the hysteria that is rising around this horrible tragic incident is now being fueled by our Washington Politicians. The truth is that a Federal law (the Gun Free School Zones act) passed in 1990; declared unconstitutional in 1995 and re-enacted in slightly modified form in 1996 has enabled 5 times the number of annual school incidents and more than three times the annual loss of life. - These criminals ignore all laws that normal citizens respect. Adam Lanza broke a large number of them. - Criminals can predict that they will not be opposed while they slaughter our children at schools. - More of the same lawmaking will not solve this problem. Protection Free Zones are just that - and violent criminals only respond to immediate opposing force. I also share the grief for those that have lost loved ones, and disgust for the person that did this. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-14-2012, 09:44 PM	#8
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	The weapons used in the attack were legally purchased and were registered to the gunman's mother, two law enforcement officials said. take note the weapons were legal and still used to murder these children and others plus their owner. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

12-14-2012, 08:53 PM	#4
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	It was very hard watching tonight's national news, especially all the drive-by Media out for a news story, have they no shame!!!! We live in one very sick society today....Twenty innocent little lives wasted. I truely feel for the families for their loss and forever pain.......................

12-14-2012, 09:00 PM	#6
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I am a father of a young boy and this sickens me to no end. I will be sending many prayers out to the victims and their families. What a sin.

12-15-2012, 12:05 AM	#9
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Right now we should only be thinking of the victims , their families , the community and our Nation. Our thoughts and prayers to all. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-15-2012, 12:08 AM	#10
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	Roger that, i was letting other information side track me from the main issue, which is praying for the victims and their familes. I believe all on this forum will agree on that. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

12-15-2012, 09:15 AM	#12
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	I think of those folks and the loss of their children then think of my 2 grown daughters and how grateful I am that they were allowed to be kids and grow into young adults. That being said, gun control worked here, everyone was unarmed except the shooter. No guns available, no problem: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...est=latestnews or this: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.an...e/disaster.htm

12-15-2012, 10:19 AM	#13
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	As a 20 year old, the evil murderer in this incident did not have legal possession of his mother's firearms. 21 is the minimum age. He also did not legally bring them onto the school campus. As no school official had authorized a Connecticut CCW holder to carry on the school campus (permitted by Connecticut law), there was nobody there to stop him. I mourn the loss caused by this act of evil. I hope that the victims that are still living can find peace. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-15-2012, 10:54 AM	#14
Steve Lempitski User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Old Cape Cod Posts: 238 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Sick thing is I have feared something like this...2 weeks ago I mentioned to a few buddies it is a little disturbing how everywhere the mainstream media has picked up on this Dec 21st crap. Even National Geographic channel, an educational channel, with shows such as "Doomsday Preppers" and Mayan prophecy end of the world scenario shows. All this is doing is setting a fatalistic tone for these mentally challenged people who believe this and setting a timeline for them to "settle" their made up grudges. __________________ SJL

12-15-2012, 11:48 AM	#15
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	Perhaps, we struggle with answers as to why? Only the mind of one so depraved as the shooter can answer, we are truly a nation in mourning. Let us continue to pray and that those that have survived can one day overcome this. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

12-15-2012, 12:51 PM	#16
Steve Lempitski User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Old Cape Cod Posts: 238 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	In 1994 living in WI, I was the first person on the scene of a policeman killed by a father and son team during their get-away from a bank robbery. The events of yesterday have brought back that day and those images which have been running through my head since yesterday. Bad enough I saw this at age 29...nevermind 5-10 which the survivors are. Pray for these children as well that they get the lifelong therapy they will need to deal with these memories. __________________ SJL

12-15-2012, 01:35 PM	#17
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	The real issue here, IMO, is the mind set of the perpetrator, who must have been very deranged and very full of anger. We may never know the fine details, but the problem of mental illness today is bigger than ever. The availability of guns simply lets such a sick person "vent"his anger more easily. This tragic event is just a symptom of poor recognition and treatment of mental illness in this country, not to mention the general breakdown of the family unit. Did the news mention whether this Lanza monster had a father?

12-15-2012, 01:58 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	The real issue besides grieving for the loss of innocents is why were these weapons and ammunition not secured? This fellow apparently had Asperger syndrome and the Mother was aware of it and it's symptoms. If this proves to be the case.. leaving the weapons of mass destruction available to a person with this type of mental problem is the height of stupidity. Irrisponsible weapons security seems to have cost her her life. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-15-2012, 03:02 PM	#19
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	When I'm out and about I am always sciencious of what's going on around me, force of habit I guess. Today I saw alot more mother's and father's out with their little kids holding on to them as to never letting them go. It was hard watching them and knowing the reason why they were spending time together today more than usual.

12-15-2012, 03:39 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Much or the tragety has yet to be witten! Next will be anger directed at those who are perceived as those with any bit responsible! History has shown not much can be done to protect ourselves against a madman with a self believed mandate. I'm sure the entire assault was filmed on closed cameras. I hope!