Unit Marked Erfurt...

Pete Ebbink · 10-22-2005, 12:15 PM

Promising unit marked Erfurt with an unusual modified holster on Gun-Broker...if you like them lugers with graffiti all over 'em...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=38649944

drbuster · 10-22-2005, 12:56 PM

The unit mark, according to Jeff Noll's book, page 42, signifies Festungs-Maschinengewehr-Abteilung (Fortress Machine Gun Attachment), number 6, pistol number 65. The holster appears to be modified from an 1883 Reichsrevolver holster. A nice historical rig.

Ron Smith · 10-22-2005, 02:38 PM

I wish I had the spare cash right now. I'd be running the bid up. Unfortunately that isn't in my budget at the moment....

Pete, Stop posting this stuff! You're giving me the dithers.

Anybody wanna buy something?

Pete Ebbink · 10-22-2005, 02:41 PM

Ron,

I know some of you folks have some nice Swiss lugers squirreled away for trader-stock...

Figured if I jump started a heart or two along the way and a prospective buyer needed to free up some cash for a luger (with graffiti...), a Swiss luger might pop up for sale and get posted...

Ron Smith · 10-22-2005, 02:46 PM

Pete,
If I had a Swiss Luger. I would be e-mailing you every 5 min. right now.

It's like bringing a ham sandwich to a weight watchers convention.

Pete Ebbink · 10-22-2005, 03:24 PM

Well...I hope a LF member nabs this one...I am even tempted but then I would have to have a Swiss cross engraved on it...somewhere...

drbuster · 10-22-2005, 04:38 PM

$1175 appears to be a pretty good bid price so far. Deacon36 seems to be seriously interested. I already own two 1914 Erfurt P.08 rigs, otherwise my name would be among the bidders.

George Anderson · 10-22-2005, 08:16 PM

For those weak kneed out there, I believe that the hidden bonus is a converted Reichsrevolver holster.

Tony S. · 10-23-2005, 12:07 PM

Should this gun variation (1915) have the stock lug?
Thanks, Tony

Ron Smith · 10-23-2005, 12:11 PM

Tony, No. this is a 1913. The stock lugs were added later that year.

RS

Tony S. · 10-23-2005, 12:20 PM

Sorry, when I looked at the picture, I thought I saw a 1915. You are correct.
Thanks

Pete Ebbink · 10-24-2005, 07:45 PM

Hammer down price at $ 1325...someone did very good !

Figure the holster is worth $ 350 minimum...a nice Erfoort luger for around $ 1K...

maddog350gt · 10-25-2005, 01:23 AM

Guys,

I think you (and I) missed the boat on this one, a converted Reich's revolver holster should be worth at least $600-$800 Bender estimates that only a few were made. I paid $500 for one 5 years ago, although I am easily tricked out of my money by anything Luger. I think the buyer got the Luger for shooter price.

Bob M.

Ron Smith · 10-25-2005, 10:03 AM

Bob,
I agree. It was killing me that I couldn't afford to go after it. And now I'm really fumed!! I would have gladly gone higher on it. OH WELL, ya can't have 'em all.

Ron

Pete Ebbink · 10-25-2005, 11:34 AM

Ron,

Back to the 1913...they came with and without the stock lock...does anyone know the serial number range at which the change took place ?

Ron Smith · 11-13-2005, 10:36 PM

Pete,
I wouldn't know, but Jan Still's Imperial Lugers states after August 4, 1913. And an estimated production of approx. 23,000.
Averaged about 1900 per month. So around the 3000-3300 'a' suffix range , give or take?

Ron

kidvett · 11-13-2005, 11:07 PM

On the Erfurt Stock Lug.........

I have SN 3603a manufactured without a stock lug ( but one was added later !! quite an interesting piece )

Also SN 7825a produced with a stock lug.

Both P08s 1913 chamber dated...

I know it's a big gap but if this small info can help......

MARC

10-22-2005, 12:15 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Unit Marked Erufrt... Promising unit marked Erfurt with an unusual modified holster on Gun-Broker...if you like them lugers with graffiti all over 'em... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=38649944

10-22-2005, 02:38 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I wish I had the spare cash right now. I'd be running the bid up. Unfortunately that isn't in my budget at the moment.... Pete, Stop posting this stuff! You're giving me the dithers. Anybody wanna buy something? __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-22-2005, 02:46 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Pete, If I had a Swiss Luger. I would be e-mailing you every 5 min. right now. It's like bringing a ham sandwich to a weight watchers convention. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-23-2005, 12:11 PM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Tony, No. this is a 1913. The stock lugs were added later that year. RS __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-25-2005, 10:03 AM	#14
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Bob, I agree. It was killing me that I couldn't afford to go after it. And now I'm really fumed!! I would have gladly gone higher on it. OH WELL, ya can't have 'em all. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-22-2005, 12:56 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	The unit mark, according to Jeff Noll's book, page 42, signifies Festungs-Maschinengewehr-Abteilung (Fortress Machine Gun Attachment), number 6, pistol number 65. The holster appears to be modified from an 1883 Reichsrevolver holster. A nice historical rig.

10-22-2005, 02:41 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron, I know some of you folks have some nice Swiss lugers squirreled away for trader-stock... Figured if I jump started a heart or two along the way and a prospective buyer needed to free up some cash for a luger (with graffiti...), a Swiss luger might pop up for sale and get posted...

10-22-2005, 03:24 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Well...I hope a LF member nabs this one...I am even tempted but then I would have to have a Swiss cross engraved on it...somewhere...

10-22-2005, 04:38 PM	#7
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	$1175 appears to be a pretty good bid price so far. Deacon36 seems to be seriously interested. I already own two 1914 Erfurt P.08 rigs, otherwise my name would be among the bidders.

10-22-2005, 08:16 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	For those weak kneed out there, I believe that the hidden bonus is a converted Reichsrevolver holster.

10-23-2005, 12:07 PM	#9
Tony S. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Should this gun variation (1915) have the stock lug? Thanks, Tony

10-23-2005, 12:20 PM	#11
Tony S. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry, when I looked at the picture, I thought I saw a 1915. You are correct. Thanks

10-24-2005, 07:45 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hammer down price at $ 1325...someone did very good ! Figure the holster is worth $ 350 minimum...a nice Erfoort luger for around $ 1K...

10-25-2005, 01:23 AM	#13
maddog350gt User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Washougal WA Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Guys, I think you (and I) missed the boat on this one, a converted Reich's revolver holster should be worth at least $600-$800 Bender estimates that only a few were made. I paid $500 for one 5 years ago, although I am easily tricked out of my money by anything Luger. I think the buyer got the Luger for shooter price. Bob M.

10-25-2005, 11:34 AM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron, Back to the 1913...they came with and without the stock lock...does anyone know the serial number range at which the change took place ?

11-13-2005, 10:36 PM	#16
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Pete, I wouldn't know, but Jan Still's Imperial Lugers states after August 4, 1913. And an estimated production of approx. 23,000. Averaged about 1900 per month. So around the 3000-3300 'a' suffix range , give or take? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-13-2005, 11:07 PM	#17
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	On the Erfurt Stock Lug......... I have SN 3603a manufactured without a stock lug ( but one was added later !! quite an interesting piece ) Also SN 7825a produced with a stock lug. Both P08s 1913 chamber dated... I know it's a big gap but if this small info can help...... MARC