Cut-Away UP

wterrell · 10-08-2002, 09:04 PM

Gentlemen,
What should I pay for this pistol?

[quote] Cutaway model Parabellum pistol
Work model, manufacturer Mauser. Caliber of 9 mm of Parabellum, lauflaenge 8 cm. Matt chromium-plates, wooden grip caps with fish skin blend. Label "original Mauser, larva in Germany". Cut sights in run, framework and grip caps. Magazine with six exercise cartridges. Length 22 cm.
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Lugerdoc · 10-09-2002, 07:41 AM

Wes, Just so that you are aware that this pistol started out as a post WW2 06/73. I don't recall hearing that any of these cut-aways were factory nickel plated, but perhaps Mauro has some better info on value. Tom H.

Ron Wood · 10-09-2002, 11:35 AM

Terry,
The translations on Hermann Historica obviously are from a translation engine, perhaps "babelfish" or "Dictionary.com". Doesn't do too bad but has to depend on common literal translation. Hence "Lauf" becomes "run" instead of barrel, etc. Gets most of the information across but makes for some amusing reading. Thank you for presenting a much clearer translation, and also for several other translations you have posted. I wish my German was as fluent as yours (I wish my English was as good also!)

Thor · 10-09-2002, 11:44 AM

I am scratching my head over this one?? Why would a factory cutaway (an assumption) have rust pits on the barrel (and perhaps the frame well edge). If those are pits, I would assume this Luger was used or poorly stored SOMEWHERE prior to the finish application. Overall, I find this cutaway very very nice!

John Sabato · 10-09-2002, 12:47 PM

Wes,

this is obviously one of a kind... and the answer to your question is whatever you think it is worth to you... just make sure it is more than it is worth to someone else if you really want it. (Here is your Graemlin to indicate my wry humor): [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

It does have a classy look about it. IF you are interested in it for the history... then bid. If you are primarily interested in it for it's education qualities regarding Luger engineering and function... then buy an old shooter (or better yet, a Luger that may not be good enough to shoot) and have it sliced up to look like this one and have it bumper chrome plated (Ed Tinker Really Likes That!)... that would be much cheaper.

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 01:15 PM

Nickeled

but a blued cut away would be cool [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Strider · 10-09-2002, 02:30 PM

How about this cut away Ed?

Sid. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 03:25 PM

Very nice Sid! Yours? [img]smile.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 10-09-2002, 04:17 PM

Tacfoley,

One of the major obstacles for those not familiar with a foreign language is that "their" grammar probably doesn't equate to "our" grammar... so that it often happens that foreign words are substituted into our native grammatical construction...with hilarious results.

One of the funniest phrases that I fondly remember my late mother (of Pennsylvania Dutch heritage) saying is:

"Throw your father down the stairs his pants..."

Thanks Mom... it still makes me laugh. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 05:00 PM

Tac, john started to laugh from a memory, and promptly forgot your excellent suggestion, please be so kind to compile this and I will include and add it to the FAQ [img]smile.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 10-09-2002, 05:18 PM

Terry, Ed is right. I just got sidetracked... We would welcome such a technical word glossary as an addition to the forum technical information...

God Bless you sir!

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 07:21 PM

Got it!

Thanks, put it into the FAQ, although graders is what we call road scrappers over yonder where y'all hail, <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Strider · 10-09-2002, 07:21 PM

Ed, I am sorry to say that it is not mine. It is nice. It is from a web site that has it for sale.

http://www.antiquegunroom.com/agr/au...l.php?id=11114

That is the address for the location of the gun.

Sid.

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2002, 07:32 PM

Sid, I asked you not to show me guns for sale! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

That is mean of you, heh, heh, I'll go look and admire it in a second! Thanks... <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

wterrell · 10-09-2002, 08:41 PM

Thought I might acquire it as a shooter.

I am aware that this is a '70's Mauser item. Investment dollar should never fall on this pistol, only rise.

(tacfoley, thanks for the translate.)

Jerry Harris · 10-09-2002, 11:14 PM

tacfoley,

This thread makes me wonder if the good folks at the Ministry of Firearms Mutilation, so eager to slice into pistols, could be induced to get their Schnitt together and produce a few cutaways. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Edward Tinker · 10-10-2002, 03:39 AM

Sorry esteemed Sir, I knew that you were a former officer in the British Forces and the only ones with less humor were some Sergeant Majors! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] So, I was only kiddinÃ¢?? around, as I was in Europe for 7 years and traveled to the ole England isles on several, several occasions, enjoyed Scotland very much, as I did Plymouth, London, and saw Star Wars, Phantom Menace in Cambridge on opening night. All that means that I do have a sense of humor and rightly understand that a stuffed animal in England isn't the same thing in America (a toy, not a "stuffed" animal).

Regards,

wterrell · 10-10-2002, 05:58 PM

tacfoley,

One of the rules in life: The more humor displayed, the more serious the actor.
Also Shakespeare was correct with his line about many a truth is told in jest.

Humor is a facade behind which to hide.

10-08-2002, 09:04 PM	#1
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Cut-Away UP Gentlemen, What should I pay for this pistol? [quote] Cutaway model Parabellum pistol Work model, manufacturer Mauser. Caliber of 9 mm of Parabellum, lauflaenge 8 cm. Matt chromium-plates, wooden grip caps with fish skin blend. Label "original Mauser, larva in Germany". Cut sights in run, framework and grip caps. Magazine with six exercise cartridges. Length 22 cm. <hr></blockquote> __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-09-2002, 07:41 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Wes, Just so that you are aware that this pistol started out as a post WW2 06/73. I don't recall hearing that any of these cut-aways were factory nickel plated, but perhaps Mauro has some better info on value. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-09-2002, 11:35 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Terry, The translations on Hermann Historica obviously are from a translation engine, perhaps "babelfish" or "Dictionary.com". Doesn't do too bad but has to depend on common literal translation. Hence "Lauf" becomes "run" instead of barrel, etc. Gets most of the information across but makes for some amusing reading. Thank you for presenting a much clearer translation, and also for several other translations you have posted. I wish my German was as fluent as yours (I wish my English was as good also!) __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-09-2002, 11:44 AM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I am scratching my head over this one?? Why would a factory cutaway (an assumption) have rust pits on the barrel (and perhaps the frame well edge). If those are pits, I would assume this Luger was used or poorly stored SOMEWHERE prior to the finish application. Overall, I find this cutaway very very nice! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

10-09-2002, 12:47 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Wes, this is obviously one of a kind... and the answer to your question is whatever you think it is worth to you... just make sure it is more than it is worth to someone else if you really want it. (Here is your Graemlin to indicate my wry humor): [img]biggrin.gif[/img] It does have a classy look about it. IF you are interested in it for the history... then bid. If you are primarily interested in it for it's education qualities regarding Luger engineering and function... then buy an old shooter (or better yet, a Luger that may not be good enough to shoot) and have it sliced up to look like this one and have it bumper chrome plated (Ed Tinker Really Likes That!)... that would be much cheaper. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-09-2002, 01:15 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Nickeled but a blued cut away would be cool [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 02:30 PM	#7
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How about this cut away Ed? Sid. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

10-09-2002, 03:25 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Very nice Sid! Yours? [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 04:17 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Tacfoley, One of the major obstacles for those not familiar with a foreign language is that "their" grammar probably doesn't equate to "our" grammar... so that it often happens that foreign words are substituted into our native grammatical construction...with hilarious results. One of the funniest phrases that I fondly remember my late mother (of Pennsylvania Dutch heritage) saying is: "Throw your father down the stairs his pants..." Thanks Mom... it still makes me laugh. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-09-2002, 05:00 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Tac, john started to laugh from a memory, and promptly forgot your excellent suggestion, please be so kind to compile this and I will include and add it to the FAQ [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 05:18 PM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Terry, Ed is right. I just got sidetracked... We would welcome such a technical word glossary as an addition to the forum technical information... God Bless you sir! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-09-2002, 07:21 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Got it! Thanks, put it into the FAQ, although graders is what we call road scrappers over yonder where y'all hail, <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 07:32 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Sid, I asked you not to show me guns for sale! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] That is mean of you, heh, heh, I'll go look and admire it in a second! Thanks... <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2002, 08:41 PM	#15
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thought I might acquire it as a shooter. I am aware that this is a '70's Mauser item. Investment dollar should never fall on this pistol, only rise. (tacfoley, thanks for the translate.) __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-09-2002, 11:14 PM	#16
Jerry Harris User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 64 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tacfoley, This thread makes me wonder if the good folks at the Ministry of Firearms Mutilation, so eager to slice into pistols, could be induced to get their Schnitt together and produce a few cutaways. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

10-10-2002, 03:39 AM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Sorry esteemed Sir, I knew that you were a former officer in the British Forces and the only ones with less humor were some Sergeant Majors! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] So, I was only kiddinÃ¢?? around, as I was in Europe for 7 years and traveled to the ole England isles on several, several occasions, enjoyed Scotland very much, as I did Plymouth, London, and saw Star Wars, Phantom Menace in Cambridge on opening night. All that means that I do have a sense of humor and rightly understand that a stuffed animal in England isn't the same thing in America (a toy, not a "stuffed" animal). Regards, __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-10-2002, 05:58 PM	#18
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	tacfoley, One of the rules in life: The more humor displayed, the more serious the actor. Also Shakespeare was correct with his line about many a truth is told in jest. Humor is a facade behind which to hide. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------