1921 DWM

Thor · 08-18-2002, 11:21 AM

I assume this a military model as it has no sear safety. The right acceptance stamps are the Weimar Doves. The Serial is 89564 and the unit marking on the front grip strap is 18.R.10.15.
The "18" & "10" are medium height, the "R" is taller than those two numbered markings, and the "15" is a smaller height than the 18 and 10.
Is this an Infantry Regiment Luger? Any ideas? Caliber is 9mm and the chamber date is 1921, toggle code is DWM.

Marvin · 08-18-2002, 11:49 AM

Hello Thor,
The "R" may be a "Reiter" or Cavalry Regiment stamp. Of course, as always, it seems I am at work and no reference material to refer to! I think the cursive "R" is for Reserve.

Marvin

Doubs · 08-18-2002, 02:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Thor:
<strong>I assume this a military model as it has no sear safety. The right acceptance stamps are the Weimar Doves. The Serial is 89564 and the unit marking on the front grip strap is 18.R.10.15.
The "18" & "10" are medium height, the "R" is taller than those two numbered markings, and the "15" is a smaller height than the 18 and 10.
Is this an Infantry Regiment Luger? Any ideas? Caliber is 9mm and the chamber date is 1921, toggle code is DWM.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jan Still's book "Weimar and Early Nazi Lugers" has quite a bit of information on your pistol beginning on page 26. Briefly, it's a "Weimar 5 Digit SN DWM Luger". Pistols without Navy or police markings almost always indicates Army issue. In your case there's no doubt because of the unit markings. (18th Reserve Infantry Regiment, 10th Company, 15th Weapon is how I read it.)

Proofs may consist of Dove, Dove/WaA4, E/ArA4 or Crown/scriptic G on right receiver, barrel and left breechblock. There should be a C/N on the left receiver as these are actually serialled as commercial pistols. According to Still, most of the more than 17,000 commercial Lugers in the serial number range of 74845 - 91989 were sold as commercial pistols. About 1500 were 9mm with a 4 inch barrel, dated, and intended for police or Army use. VERY FEW bear Weimar Army markings. (Emphasis mine.) The Basil police Lugers are from this series. Of serial numbers reported to Still at the time of publication (1993), only one Weimar Army serial number is listed: 86866 with unit marking 8/J.R.18.12.

Looks like you have a rather rare pistol on your hands. Congratulations.

Jan C Still · 08-18-2002, 04:08 PM

Thor
Doubts has found an excellent source for imformation on your luger and has covered just about everything. The format of the unit marking (18.R.10.15.) is Imperial: 18 Infantry Regiment, 10 Company, weapom no. 15. The Weimar marking should be more like 18./J.R.10.15.
Jan

Thor · 08-18-2002, 04:17 PM

Thanks to everyone for the answers! This Luger DOESNT have the crown N proofing. I appreciate it! <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

08-18-2002, 11:21 AM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	1921 DWM I assume this a military model as it has no sear safety. The right acceptance stamps are the Weimar Doves. The Serial is 89564 and the unit marking on the front grip strap is 18.R.10.15. The "18" & "10" are medium height, the "R" is taller than those two numbered markings, and the "15" is a smaller height than the 18 and 10. Is this an Infantry Regiment Luger? Any ideas? Caliber is 9mm and the chamber date is 1921, toggle code is DWM. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-18-2002, 04:17 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Thanks to everyone for the answers! This Luger DOESNT have the crown N proofing. I appreciate it! <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-18-2002, 11:49 AM	#2
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Thor, The "R" may be a "Reiter" or Cavalry Regiment stamp. Of course, as always, it seems I am at work and no reference material to refer to! I think the cursive "R" is for Reserve. Marvin

08-18-2002, 02:46 PM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Thor: <strong>I assume this a military model as it has no sear safety. The right acceptance stamps are the Weimar Doves. The Serial is 89564 and the unit marking on the front grip strap is 18.R.10.15. The "18" & "10" are medium height, the "R" is taller than those two numbered markings, and the "15" is a smaller height than the 18 and 10. Is this an Infantry Regiment Luger? Any ideas? Caliber is 9mm and the chamber date is 1921, toggle code is DWM.</strong><hr></blockquote> Jan Still's book "Weimar and Early Nazi Lugers" has quite a bit of information on your pistol beginning on page 26. Briefly, it's a "Weimar 5 Digit SN DWM Luger". Pistols without Navy or police markings almost always indicates Army issue. In your case there's no doubt because of the unit markings. (18th Reserve Infantry Regiment, 10th Company, 15th Weapon is how I read it.) Proofs may consist of Dove, Dove/WaA4, E/ArA4 or Crown/scriptic G on right receiver, barrel and left breechblock. There should be a C/N on the left receiver as these are actually serialled as commercial pistols. According to Still, most of the more than 17,000 commercial Lugers in the serial number range of 74845 - 91989 were sold as commercial pistols. About 1500 were 9mm with a 4 inch barrel, dated, and intended for police or Army use. VERY FEW bear Weimar Army markings. (Emphasis mine.) The Basil police Lugers are from this series. Of serial numbers reported to Still at the time of publication (1993), only one Weimar Army serial number is listed: 86866 with unit marking 8/J.R.18.12. Looks like you have a rather rare pistol on your hands. Congratulations.

08-18-2002, 04:08 PM	#4
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Thor Doubts has found an excellent source for imformation on your luger and has covered just about everything. The format of the unit marking (18.R.10.15.) is Imperial: 18 Infantry Regiment, 10 Company, weapom no. 15. The Weimar marking should be more like 18./J.R.10.15. Jan