1911 unit marked

JTD · 07-27-2018, 08:10 PM

Schutztruppen Dutch Ost Africa waffe 18. The protection troops of the German East African colony.

George Anderson · 07-27-2018, 08:48 PM

A super rare pistol!!!

HerrKaiser · 07-27-2018, 09:05 PM

A rare pistol and in relatively good shape too! Congrats! I read the headline expecting to see a Colt with a unit marking but am somehow even more satisfied with what I see here.

JTD · 07-29-2018, 05:48 PM

Quentin, glad you enjoyed the pics of this pistol . It is one of two reported to date. (Still/Noll). Seems the others have much more interest in the rare Jap mum luger...........History is doomed to repeat itself....... John

Ron Wood · 07-29-2018, 06:04 PM

Compared to that gun, chicken molars are commonplace. Well done John!
Ron

JTD · 07-29-2018, 07:00 PM

Thanks Ron. I have located a D.O.A. tropenhelm (pith helmet) to go with it, the price brings a tear to my eye!
John

George Anderson · 07-29-2018, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JTD

Thanks Ron. I have located a D.O.A. tropenhelm (pith helmet) to go with it, the price brings a tear to my eye!
John

John, be careful there are more fakes than real ones.

sheepherder · 07-29-2018, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JTD

Seems the others have much more interest in the rare Jap mum luger.

Would you like a Mum on yours??? I am sure we can accommodate you!

DonVoigt · 07-29-2018, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JTD

Quentin, glad you enjoyed the pics of this pistol . It is one of two reported to date. (Still/Noll). Seems the others have much more interest in the rare Jap mum luger...........History is doomed to repeat itself....... John

John,
some of us saw it on the other forum and commented there.
A couple also didn't want to get into a bidding war, or it may have ended up here rather than there.

I share your frustration with posting nice or interesting or rare(real) stuff, and see no response- when a silly question or fake gets dozens of comments.

Some folks still believe in the tooth fairy; I have it on good authority(my own) that that is who marked the "Japanese" lugers.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-30-2018, 01:15 PM

John, Fantastic find! Very interesting to see.

JTD · 07-30-2018, 08:26 PM

Well stated Don.
I did not win the auction either. I was in the company of the winner at Geo's and had to give up my really nice 1925 Simson to get this.
Jerry, keep me in mind should you see a D.O.A. marked holster come thru the shop.
Geo, thanks for the heads up.

John

lugerholsterrepair · 07-30-2018, 09:05 PM

John, You can bet I will..but how many more years have I got to look? Shoulda asked me when I was a young man! I got DOA on my mind....

Piet · 08-10-2018, 05:07 AM

JTD,
Lovely Luger!
Can you reveal the serial number?

George Anderson · 08-10-2018, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Piet

JTD,
Lovely Luger!
Can you reveal the serial number?

8384d

Piet · 08-11-2018, 12:38 PM

Great! Not far away from my 199f (South West Africa)
Also 1911

George Anderson · 08-11-2018, 12:43 PM

Piet, may we see photos of your GSWA pistol?

Piet · 08-15-2018, 03:08 AM

Certainly George,

DonVoigt · 08-15-2018, 08:29 AM

Piet,
What is the Wr 37370 on the left side?

Piet · 08-15-2018, 02:45 PM

That was the number allocated to the pistol when brought back from German South West Africa into the Union of South Africa. WR means "wapenregister" or weapon register used for the registration of all firearms in South Africa. (I could not verify in what year it was done but I suspect 1914 - 1915?

Norme · 08-15-2018, 03:39 PM

Hi Piet,
Is that what they call a Smuts number?
Regards, Norm

07-27-2018, 08:10 PM	#1
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	1911 unit marked Schutztruppen Dutch Ost Africa waffe 18. The protection troops of the German East African colony. Attached Thumbnails

07-27-2018, 09:05 PM	#3
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	A rare pistol and in relatively good shape too! Congrats! I read the headline expecting to see a Colt with a unit marking but am somehow even more satisfied with what I see here. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

07-29-2018, 06:04 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Compared to that gun, chicken molars are commonplace. Well done John! Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-30-2018, 01:15 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	John, Fantastic find! Very interesting to see. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-30-2018, 09:05 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	John, You can bet I will..but how many more years have I got to look? Shoulda asked me when I was a young man! I got DOA on my mind.... __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-27-2018, 08:48 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	A super rare pistol!!!

07-29-2018, 05:48 PM	#4
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Quentin, glad you enjoyed the pics of this pistol . It is one of two reported to date. (Still/Noll). Seems the others have much more interest in the rare Jap mum luger...........History is doomed to repeat itself....... John

07-29-2018, 07:00 PM	#6
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Thanks Ron. I have located a D.O.A. tropenhelm (pith helmet) to go with it, the price brings a tear to my eye! John

07-30-2018, 08:26 PM	#11
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Well stated Don. I did not win the auction either. I was in the company of the winner at Geo's and had to give up my really nice 1925 Simson to get this. Jerry, keep me in mind should you see a D.O.A. marked holster come thru the shop. Geo, thanks for the heads up. John

08-10-2018, 05:07 AM	#13
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	JTD, Lovely Luger! Can you reveal the serial number?

08-11-2018, 12:38 PM	#15
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	Great! Not far away from my 199f (South West Africa) Also 1911

08-11-2018, 12:43 PM	#16
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Piet, may we see photos of your GSWA pistol?

08-15-2018, 03:08 AM	#17
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	Certainly George, Attached Thumbnails

08-15-2018, 08:29 AM	#18
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Piet, What is the Wr 37370 on the left side? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

08-15-2018, 02:45 PM	#19
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	That was the number allocated to the pistol when brought back from German South West Africa into the Union of South Africa. WR means "wapenregister" or weapon register used for the registration of all firearms in South Africa. (I could not verify in what year it was done but I suspect 1914 - 1915?

08-15-2018, 03:39 PM	#20
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Piet, Is that what they call a Smuts number? Regards, Norm