Assistance with Chamber Marking 1916 DWM

rolltidewwii · 06-17-2018, 07:37 PM

I am not very well versed in Lugers but came across this one and wondered if anyone could assist me with what Preis above the 1916 on the chamber and JR on the left of the date and 159 on the right of the date means?

Any assistance is appreciated.

Here's a photo: https://imgur.com/a/mETG9rO

DonVoigt · 06-17-2018, 08:37 PM

Well it says "Prize", Infantry Regiment 159.

Maybe a luger given as a shooting award?

sheepherder · 06-17-2018, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Well it says "Prize"...

Google says 'price'...

Neither makes sense...

DonVoigt · 06-17-2018, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Google says 'price'...

Neither makes sense...

I like my answer better,
it does make sense if the luger were given as a "prize" or "award".

One of the German guys can "interpret".

Actually Google is probably "wrong", my Cassel's says "prise = prize"; double checked English "prize = prise".

rolltidewwii · 06-17-2018, 10:14 PM

I appreciate the replies. I came up with price also but really makes no sense. We will see if someone comes up with anything else.

Ed

ithacaartist · 06-17-2018, 10:20 PM

To come up with anything else, we'll need some clear pics of this pistol. None here, I think, is clairvoyant.

sheepherder · 06-17-2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Actually Google is probably "wrong", my Cassel's says "prise = prize"; double checked English "prize = prise".

The inscription is "PREIS"...

Here's what Bing Translator has to say -

Translations of "preis"

NOUN
price - preis, kurs
prize - preis, gewinn, auszeichnung
rate - rate, bewertung, preis, tarif, satz, geschwindigkeit, zinssatz
cost - kosten, preis, kostet, aufwand, gebühr, gekostet
award - award, auszeichnung, preis, vergabe, ausgezeichnet, vergeben, verleihung
value - wert, werts, wertes, preis

DonVoigt · 06-17-2018, 11:03 PM

Sounds like tomato, tomato; and always " i before e".

tomaustin · 06-18-2018, 12:44 AM

Preis:

achievement award; token of appreciaton; honour; accolade; honor; prize; prices; price

Major Tom · 06-18-2018, 08:53 AM

Preis: a German officers personal pistol, like Colonel Preis. 8-/

rolltidewwii · 06-18-2018, 11:03 AM

Thank you all!

abukafura · 06-18-2018, 12:06 PM

I think Don Voigt is right on the mark....correct translation and good meaning of the words.

MikeP · 06-19-2018, 06:33 PM

I believe it is a name. I knew at least one "Preis" in the army.
Where when or why it is on the pistol will remain a mystery.

George Anderson · 06-19-2018, 06:50 PM

It's a marksman's Prize. No question.

rolltidewwii · 06-20-2018, 11:15 AM

Thank you all for your ideas. I am still torn as to if I should buy it, it is in excellent condition, appears to be all matching and comes with it's (or period correct) holster and takedown too and an extra magazine. I think it's a little steep at $1,800, but maybe not.

Pistol · 06-20-2018, 01:21 PM

Any other markings

abukafura · 06-20-2018, 04:34 PM

Subtract the value of the holster (perhaps $300 if in good condition), the value of the tool (approx $100) and the value of the extra mag (approx $150) and you see what I think is a pretty good deal on this set. A nice Luger for about $1300-1400. JMHO

GerColctor · 08-11-2018, 02:35 PM

Since it is chamber dated, it is obliviously started its life as government property and the Imperial military was not giving away pistols as prizes

It was marked after the war when there were a huge number of these surplus Lugers in storage, but also in former military member's homes. Many took their side arms home when the War suddenly ended, so there were a lot of these unaccountable weapons available during the Weimar Period.

06-17-2018, 07:37 PM	#1
rolltidewwii New User Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Assistance with Chamber Marking 1916 DWM I am not very well versed in Lugers but came across this one and wondered if anyone could assist me with what Preis above the 1916 on the chamber and JR on the left of the date and 159 on the right of the date means? Any assistance is appreciated. Here's a photo: https://imgur.com/a/mETG9rO

06-17-2018, 08:37 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Well it says "Prize", Infantry Regiment 159. Maybe a luger given as a shooting award? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-17-2018, 10:20 PM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	To come up with anything else, we'll need some clear pics of this pistol. None here, I think, is clairvoyant. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

06-17-2018, 11:03 PM	#8
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Sounds like tomato, tomato; and always " i before e". __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-18-2018, 08:53 AM	#10
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	Preis: a German officers personal pistol, like Colonel Preis. 8-/ __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

06-17-2018, 10:14 PM	#5
rolltidewwii New User Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I appreciate the replies. I came up with price also but really makes no sense. We will see if someone comes up with anything else. Ed

06-18-2018, 12:44 AM	#9
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	Preis: achievement award; token of appreciaton; honour; accolade; honor; prize; prices; price

06-18-2018, 11:03 AM	#11
rolltidewwii New User Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all!

06-18-2018, 12:06 PM	#12
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	I think Don Voigt is right on the mark....correct translation and good meaning of the words.

06-19-2018, 06:33 PM	#13
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I believe it is a name. I knew at least one "Preis" in the army. Where when or why it is on the pistol will remain a mystery.

06-19-2018, 06:50 PM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	It's a marksman's Prize. No question.

06-20-2018, 11:15 AM	#15
rolltidewwii New User Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for your ideas. I am still torn as to if I should buy it, it is in excellent condition, appears to be all matching and comes with it's (or period correct) holster and takedown too and an extra magazine. I think it's a little steep at $1,800, but maybe not.

06-20-2018, 01:21 PM	#16
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 421 Thanks: 430 Thanked 214 Times in 95 Posts	Any other markings

06-20-2018, 04:34 PM	#17
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	Subtract the value of the holster (perhaps $300 if in good condition), the value of the tool (approx $100) and the value of the extra mag (approx $150) and you see what I think is a pretty good deal on this set. A nice Luger for about $1300-1400. JMHO

08-11-2018, 02:35 PM	#18
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	Since it is chamber dated, it is obliviously started its life as government property and the Imperial military was not giving away pistols as prizes It was marked after the war when there were a huge number of these surplus Lugers in storage, but also in former military member's homes. Many took their side arms home when the War suddenly ended, so there were a lot of these unaccountable weapons available during the Weimar Period. __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.