Police overstamp..

P. Ristan · 02-19-2004, 10:13 AM

Hello!
Just bought a luger. It's a DWM 1917/1920 police rework. It was originally a LP08.

Originally it was marked "S.H.474" (Schutzpolizei, Hannover, gun number 474). But the "H" has been overstamped with "Mg". So now it reads "S.Mg.474" (Schutzpolizei, Magdeburg, gun number 474).

Anyone else seen such an overstamp??

Here are links to 2 pictures:

http://www.blinkskudd.net/Album/imag.../pistol/n4.jpg

http://www.blinkskudd.net/Album/imag...l/000_0209.jpg

policeluger · 02-20-2004, 05:30 PM

I have never seen anything like this before, any going by the lack of replys, looks the same sor others. Very interesting.

Edward Tinker · 02-20-2004, 10:37 PM

pl, me too, haven't seen one like this, but I am still "new" at this weimar stuff, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ed

Vlim · 02-21-2004, 11:30 AM

Hi,

Some research:

In 1932 at the end of the Weimar republic, several parts of the Hannover district (bordering to the Sachsen district, part of which was Magdeburg) became part of the Sachsen district and parts of the Sachsen district became part of the Hannover district.

It seems that this gun, including the police station it was issued to, found itself in Magdeburg in 1932, in the Sachsen district as a result of this reorganization of borders.

Since the marking of small arms was still active in 1932, this meant that guns that were previously struck with Hannover property marks, had to be restruck with Magdeburg property marks.

So this appears to be correct

policeluger · 02-21-2004, 11:37 AM

thanks very much, interesting.

Vlim · 02-21-2004, 11:45 AM

I must point out that I did find evidence of some border-reshuffeling in 1932, but no paper evidence of the actual restriking of marks and this makes my explanation 'speculation' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

But since Magdeburg and Hannover are not far away from each other this offers a good explanation for restriking the district description, while the gun number remains equal.

Pete Ebbink · 02-21-2004, 12:00 PM

Hello Gerben,

We are fortunate to have you hanging out on the Luger Forum !!! Alway learn something from your posting, even when you are speculating... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Regards,

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02-19-2004, 10:13 AM	#1
P. Ristan User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Police overstamp.. Hello! Just bought a luger. It's a DWM 1917/1920 police rework. It was originally a LP08. Originally it was marked "S.H.474" (Schutzpolizei, Hannover, gun number 474). But the "H" has been overstamped with "Mg". So now it reads "S.Mg.474" (Schutzpolizei, Magdeburg, gun number 474). Anyone else seen such an overstamp?? Here are links to 2 pictures: http://www.blinkskudd.net/Album/imag.../pistol/n4.jpg http://www.blinkskudd.net/Album/imag...l/000_0209.jpg

02-20-2004, 10:37 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	pl, me too, haven't seen one like this, but I am still "new" at this weimar stuff, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-20-2004, 05:30 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I have never seen anything like this before, any going by the lack of replys, looks the same sor others. Very interesting.

02-21-2004, 11:30 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,041 Thanks: 1,021 Thanked 3,902 Times in 1,190 Posts	Hi, Some research: In 1932 at the end of the Weimar republic, several parts of the Hannover district (bordering to the Sachsen district, part of which was Magdeburg) became part of the Sachsen district and parts of the Sachsen district became part of the Hannover district. It seems that this gun, including the police station it was issued to, found itself in Magdeburg in 1932, in the Sachsen district as a result of this reorganization of borders. Since the marking of small arms was still active in 1932, this meant that guns that were previously struck with Hannover property marks, had to be restruck with Magdeburg property marks. So this appears to be correct

02-21-2004, 11:37 AM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	thanks very much, interesting.

02-21-2004, 11:45 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,041 Thanks: 1,021 Thanked 3,902 Times in 1,190 Posts	I must point out that I did find evidence of some border-reshuffeling in 1932, but no paper evidence of the actual restriking of marks and this makes my explanation 'speculation' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> But since Magdeburg and Hannover are not far away from each other this offers a good explanation for restriking the district description, while the gun number remains equal.

02-21-2004, 12:00 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Gerben, We are fortunate to have you hanging out on the Luger Forum !!! Alway learn something from your posting, even when you are speculating... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />