1917 Navy?

[ithacaartist]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Your comments, please...

[Norme]

Hi David, 1917 Navy #227 has been kicking around on the market for a while. As you've probably noticed, the stock lug has been ground!
Regards, Norm

[alanint]

The grips, takedown lever and sideplate are also not original to the gun.

[Ben M.]

td lever seems to have 27. is that not right?

how did you decide about side plate?

grips seem pretty new. agree.

[Norme]

The side-plate does not appear to be numbered (on it's bottom edge), but that may just be the photo. The grips are most likely replacements, as alanint has said, but the take-down lever looks original. However, there is another missing part. Anyone?
Regards, Norm

[PaulP]

The loop for the lanyard looks like it is missing.
Paul

[Norme]

Originally Posted by PaulP

The loop for the lanyard looks like it is missing.
Paul

Give that man a cigar!
Best regards, Norm

[Edward Tinker]

David, I would eventually like to get one like this, nice shooter, but not above, say $1200?

ed

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

David, I would eventually like to get one like this, nice shooter, but not above, say $1200?

ed

Ed, I think I may have lucked out--$860, shipped. Restored Lugers seem to do OK on the market, and providing that this one does not need much other than what's been mentioned, there seems to be room for restoring the stock lug and lanyard loop. But, for now, it's to shoot and enjoy as is.

1917 Navy #227 has been kicking around on the market for a while.

Interesting, Norm... I don't recall any of its previous appearances, but my time actually playing the game is limited to the last several years. Do you have any recollection of previous sellers/asking prices/circumstances that pertain to it? I've found it at shooter price and am committed to it. It is what it is and even in its sorta butchered, non-collectable status< i expect to enjoy it. If the mag that accompanies it is real, I could offset the already relatively low price a little more by selling. But prob. not.

[DavidJayUden]

Stock lug replacement for $450 on GB.com.
dju

[Norme]

[Interesting, Norm... I don't recall any of its previous appearances, but my time actually playing the game is limited to the last several years. Do you have any recollection of previous sellers/asking prices/circumstances that pertain to it? I've found it at shooter price and am committed to it. It is what it is and even in its sorta butchered, non-collectable status< i expect to enjoy it. If the mag that accompanies it is real, I could offset the already relatively low price a little more by selling. But prob. not.[/QUOTE]

Hi David, 1917 Navy #227 first appeared on Gunbroker in May 2011, at which time it was discussed on Jan Still's forum (see link). More recently it was listed on Gun Auction in September of this year. If you bought it for $860.00 shipped you did very well indeed.
Regards, Norm
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...Lug-on-a-M1914

[rhuff]

I would have paid that amount for that Navy. It is a shooter, and I am a shooter. If it turns out to be very nice after you have time to check it out, perhaps I would entertain putting things right with it.

[alanint]

Since it is dated on the receiver, shouldn't ALL numbers be in the military style? That's why I commented on both the side plate and TD lever. TD lever is numbered in the commercial style and if there is any number at all on the side plate, it is in the commercial style as well.

[Jan C Still]

Imperial Navy Lugers dated 1916 and 1917 are numbered in the commercial style. See pages 124, 139 and 141 Central Powers Pistols.
Jan

[mystical_tutor]

David;

I'm jealous. I would love to have a shooter Navy and that sure looks handsome.

Gary

[Douglas Jr.]

David,
I think you did a helluva deal, kinda of an early Christmas for you.
It's a Navy, if you know what I mean...
Douglas

[ithacaartist]

When I encountered the listing for this, my jaw dropped and eyes popped. I never thought I'd be the owner of a real Navy, shooter or otherwise. And I definitely credit the fellow members on this forum with educating me enough to recognize a good deal when encountered. So thanks, all, for that and also the encouraging comments!

The seller is a little different from most I've dealt with. The pics in the listing did not show the missing lug or loop--just received one that is appropriate for this, this A.M. It is likely that the lister knew all about these issues and did not mention or depict them in the listing. I think the entire pic series is left over from a previous listing in that specific shots were not provided when requested, but more general ones that just sorta worked. And the name I've been given to send the M.O. to is a woman's, while the person propping up the gun appears to be a male in dire need of a pedicure. Interesting how many sellers take pics on their kitchen floor while they are barefoot.

I needed to tap my IRA to buy this, but could not resist adding it to my legacy. I already have a chunk of rear frame, provided by G.T. a couple of years ago, earmarked to use in restoration of the lug on my LP.08. The plan was to section out the damaged area on that frame and replace with intact structure from the donor frame chunk. So, It appears that I'll need another such frame segment to restore this one, as well, when the time and money come for it. And if anyone has an orphan lanyard loop, I could provide a home for it as well. I'm not sure if it will be an advantage in restoration, but the damage on the frame is less to this one, where only the lug structure was eliminated, contrasted with more extensive grinding on the LP.08, which flattened and thinned the entire area.

David Parker

[Sergio Natali]

I'm dead envious of your purchase

Congratulations David!

Sergio

[Lugerdoc]

David, I have both removed orig lanyard loops @$25 or new ones @$35. I also have the stock lug sections of the rear grip strap in the $25 to $50 range depending on length & condition. Tom

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

David, I have both removed orig lanyard loops @$25 or new ones @$35. I also have the stock lug sections of the rear grip strap in the $25 to $50 range depending on length & condition. Tom

How did I already know that?

But hold on... Maybe y'all can put away the green (for envy) makeup for now. I've been alerted by another member that the same gun is listed at least two other places--one @ $860, one @ $2,700. Four different states are associated with the listings. Another Armslist listing with the same title has been flagged as a scam...
The seller is adamant about my sending payment with tracking? Never heard of that before, nor can I think of a practical advantage to it.

I'm confronting the seller with all of this; in addition, I will require an escrow arrangement even if I am satisfied with the response (unlikely). And you bet, I'll be reporting this everywhere possible. Any suggestions how to have more fun with this turkey?

I now presume this offering is a scam