1936 dated holster

Paul L · 03-10-2005, 02:32 AM

Evening All,

this is my first post to this forum, in the PO8 Military Luger section i posted my first Luger purchase this weekend.............

now i'm hoping to learn a little bit about the holster that it came in.........

the 1914 DWM Luger came in this 1936 dated, black, weimar eagle waA142, Gebruder Klinge (Dresden) holster...............

so much to learn...........

1. Are these common holsters ????

2. What should i do or don't do to preserve a 70 year old holster ???

3. The holster shows to have some type of repair to the loops, is or was this common and should it be repaired correctly to RESTORE it ???
repair does look old..............

will post some pics tp peruse and for you comments which are much appreciated to this "Newbie" on Lugers.........

TIA, Regards, Paul

Paul L · 03-10-2005, 02:33 AM

another one to look at

Paul

Paul L · 03-10-2005, 02:35 AM

Another shot for enjoyment

Paul

Paul L · 03-10-2005, 02:38 AM

Oh, i forgot than an unmarked toolis in the inside pouch and i saw no markings on it.........

don't know if thats good or bad ????............another pic

Paul

George Anderson · 03-10-2005, 07:37 AM

I don't know how many brothers the Brothers Klinge were, but there must have been one hell of alot of them because the 1936 Klinge is the most common holster made in 1936. Yours appears to have been altered for wear on a US webbing belt, perhaps by the Norwegians. Original type belt straps have since been added. It is a serviceable holster but not valuable.

Vlim · 03-11-2005, 12:44 PM

Hi,

This a Norwegian holster allright. They cut the original straps and added the 4 holes to accomodate the web belt strap.

The Norwegians used the P08 and it's holster well into the 1970s and they were sold off a number of years ago. Many were refitted with German-style straps and many are still offered for sale throughout Europe. Value between 60 and 120 Euros.

I'd personally go for an unmessed-with "Norwegian style" , including the original web belt hook.

ps. the Norwegians were the reason that both the P08 and the P08 holster received NATO parts numbers.

Paul L · 03-11-2005, 03:25 PM

Mr. van Vlimmeren,

thank you for your reply and your knowledge.....i am stumped as to the Nato number thing as i have looked over the holster in the sunlight and see no Nato markings anywhere on this holster..........would that be correct and it didn't get marked ??????????????

if this is the case then the holster was purchased later and put with the pistol, a 1914 DWM military that i have pics of in the imperial luger catagory on this forum...............

I have gone over the pistol with a 10x jewelers loop and found no NATO markings or any other import markings ????????????

with your information i am to the conclusion that the two were put together and not brought home as a pair as a vet bringback from the seller....

always buy the gun and not the story, eh......am very pleased with the condition and shape of the Luger if you look at the pics mentioned.........

TIA for any other info you could supply and i can take more pics if to help confirm that it was a "Norwegian" holster......

Paul

George Anderson · 03-11-2005, 04:18 PM

The pistol and the holster have nothing in common other than their current ownership. Some previous owner bought the holster here in the States and teamed it up with the pistol.

Gerben's reference to NATO parts numbers does not mean that the holster would have to have a NATO number stamped into it. Lord knows I probably had a NATO parts number some years ago but they only hung a number around my neck.

Your pistol is quite possibly a WWI doughboy bring back and is quite nice. Don't be disheartened by the holster.

Paul L · 03-11-2005, 05:02 PM

Mr. Anderson,

thanks for you reply...........am glad to hear that i did good on the pistol......it's just a shame that when you buy something anymore that people can't represent the true facts........but from all my experience in buying and selling guns i know well enuff to buy the gun and not the story..and the story was that this gun was a WWII bring home from his father, who had passed recently and had no interest in keeping the pistol !!!!! ....and am very happy with the pistol itself.............now to understand the loading tool info, I ask were the tools ever period marked

as the tool in the holster, unmarked and only having serrations on the angular tab, how do you tell if its imperial, weimar, or WWII period or aftermarket ?????????????

thanks for all your help and comments...........

Regards, Paul

George Anderson · 03-11-2005, 09:33 PM

Paul, you describe the tool as having "serrations on the angular tab", that gives me pause to wonder. I believe you are describing what can only be a tool produced in the DDR. I think your tool is east German, finest quality but not appropriate for your pistol.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-11-2005, 11:43 PM

Paul, George is absolutely right, the serrations are indicative of manufacture by Veb Ernst, Thalmann Werk in 1957/8 according to page 292 of Luger Holsters and Accessories by Eugene Bender. This was previously the Haenel Plant. It also indicates the tool may have a mottled or alligator type of surface on the back. Take a close look and see. This tool would not have been marked that I know of.
Gerben is also correct, This holster used to have a GI belt hanger. It was removed and amaturish belt loops were installed, the 4 holes plugged. This might have been done last week, hard to tell. Jerry Burney

Paul L · 03-12-2005, 12:18 AM

George and Jerry,

thank you for your replies and your wisdom to this "Luger Newbie"

what i knew about the pistol was good but what i don't know about the holster and tools i will learn as y'all did.......

following are pics of the tool and the outside and inside of my holster for further dissemination as if i have been led astray from the seller, I may be able to perform a type of repercussion on him he won't appreciate or like.....

Pics as follows, TIA, Paul

Paul L · 03-12-2005, 12:19 AM

other side of tool

pipeman45 · 03-12-2005, 02:52 AM

That looks just like the tool I picked up at the gunshow. I was told it was East German.

Jerry.B · 03-12-2005, 11:05 AM

FYI....
I have a similar holster, same year, tool, etc. About 1-1/2 years ago Ralph Shattuck told me it was worth about $75. Actually, I was surprised at the low number, but I didn't persue it.
Jerry

Vlim · 03-13-2005, 09:05 AM

Hi,

This is most definately an Eastern-German tool.

I'm sorry about the NATO parts number mix-up. It's just a registration number and doesn't show up on the holster.

The Numbers:
1005-25-102-7195 for the P08 without accessories.
1005-25-102-7196 for the P08 with accessories.

According to Goertz the Norwegian P08 was phased out in 1980, being replaced by the Glock.

A number (4000) of P08 and P38 pistols from Norwegian sources found their way into Canada in 1991.

The holsters made their way onto the European market and can still be found there, both in modified and 'reconstructed' form.

03-10-2005, 02:32 AM	#1
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	1936 dated holster Evening All, this is my first post to this forum, in the PO8 Military Luger section i posted my first Luger purchase this weekend............. now i'm hoping to learn a little bit about the holster that it came in......... the 1914 DWM Luger came in this 1936 dated, black, weimar eagle waA142, Gebruder Klinge (Dresden) holster............... so much to learn........... 1. Are these common holsters ???? 2. What should i do or don't do to preserve a 70 year old holster ??? 3. The holster shows to have some type of repair to the loops, is or was this common and should it be repaired correctly to RESTORE it ??? repair does look old.............. will post some pics tp peruse and for you comments which are much appreciated to this "Newbie" on Lugers......... TIA, Regards, Paul Attached Thumbnails

03-10-2005, 02:33 AM	#2
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	1936 Holster Pictures another one to look at Paul Attached Thumbnails

03-10-2005, 02:35 AM	#3
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	another 1936 Holster pic Another shot for enjoyment Paul Attached Thumbnails

03-10-2005, 02:38 AM	#4
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Another 1936 Holster pic Oh, i forgot than an unmarked toolis in the inside pouch and i saw no markings on it......... don't know if thats good or bad ????............another pic Paul Attached Thumbnails

03-11-2005, 11:43 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,850 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,426 Posts	Paul, George is absolutely right, the serrations are indicative of manufacture by Veb Ernst, Thalmann Werk in 1957/8 according to page 292 of Luger Holsters and Accessories by Eugene Bender. This was previously the Haenel Plant. It also indicates the tool may have a mottled or alligator type of surface on the back. Take a close look and see. This tool would not have been marked that I know of. Gerben is also correct, This holster used to have a GI belt hanger. It was removed and amaturish belt loops were installed, the 4 holes plugged. This might have been done last week, hard to tell. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-10-2005, 07:37 AM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,771 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I don't know how many brothers the Brothers Klinge were, but there must have been one hell of alot of them because the 1936 Klinge is the most common holster made in 1936. Yours appears to have been altered for wear on a US webbing belt, perhaps by the Norwegians. Original type belt straps have since been added. It is a serviceable holster but not valuable.

03-11-2005, 12:44 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Hi, This a Norwegian holster allright. They cut the original straps and added the 4 holes to accomodate the web belt strap. The Norwegians used the P08 and it's holster well into the 1970s and they were sold off a number of years ago. Many were refitted with German-style straps and many are still offered for sale throughout Europe. Value between 60 and 120 Euros. I'd personally go for an unmessed-with "Norwegian style" , including the original web belt hook. ps. the Norwegians were the reason that both the P08 and the P08 holster received NATO parts numbers.

03-11-2005, 03:25 PM	#7
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Mr. van Vlimmeren, thank you for your reply and your knowledge.....i am stumped as to the Nato number thing as i have looked over the holster in the sunlight and see no Nato markings anywhere on this holster..........would that be correct and it didn't get marked ?????????????? if this is the case then the holster was purchased later and put with the pistol, a 1914 DWM military that i have pics of in the imperial luger catagory on this forum............... I have gone over the pistol with a 10x jewelers loop and found no NATO markings or any other import markings ???????????? with your information i am to the conclusion that the two were put together and not brought home as a pair as a vet bringback from the seller.... always buy the gun and not the story, eh......am very pleased with the condition and shape of the Luger if you look at the pics mentioned......... TIA for any other info you could supply and i can take more pics if to help confirm that it was a "Norwegian" holster...... Paul

03-11-2005, 04:18 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,771 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	The pistol and the holster have nothing in common other than their current ownership. Some previous owner bought the holster here in the States and teamed it up with the pistol. Gerben's reference to NATO parts numbers does not mean that the holster would have to have a NATO number stamped into it. Lord knows I probably had a NATO parts number some years ago but they only hung a number around my neck. Your pistol is quite possibly a WWI doughboy bring back and is quite nice. Don't be disheartened by the holster.

03-11-2005, 05:02 PM	#9
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Mr. Anderson, thanks for you reply...........am glad to hear that i did good on the pistol......it's just a shame that when you buy something anymore that people can't represent the true facts........but from all my experience in buying and selling guns i know well enuff to buy the gun and not the story..and the story was that this gun was a WWII bring home from his father, who had passed recently and had no interest in keeping the pistol !!!!! ....and am very happy with the pistol itself.............now to understand the loading tool info, I ask were the tools ever period marked as the tool in the holster, unmarked and only having serrations on the angular tab, how do you tell if its imperial, weimar, or WWII period or aftermarket ????????????? thanks for all your help and comments........... Regards, Paul

03-11-2005, 09:33 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,771 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Paul, you describe the tool as having "serrations on the angular tab", that gives me pause to wonder. I believe you are describing what can only be a tool produced in the DDR. I think your tool is east German, finest quality but not appropriate for your pistol.

03-12-2005, 12:18 AM	#12
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	George and Jerry, thank you for your replies and your wisdom to this "Luger Newbie" what i knew about the pistol was good but what i don't know about the holster and tools i will learn as y'all did....... following are pics of the tool and the outside and inside of my holster for further dissemination as if i have been led astray from the seller, I may be able to perform a type of repercussion on him he won't appreciate or like..... Pics as follows, TIA, Paul Attached Thumbnails

03-12-2005, 12:19 AM	#13
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	another pic of tool other side of tool Attached Thumbnails

03-12-2005, 02:52 AM	#14
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	That looks just like the tool I picked up at the gunshow. I was told it was East German. __________________ Dave

03-12-2005, 11:05 AM	#15
Jerry.B User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	FYI.... I have a similar holster, same year, tool, etc. About 1-1/2 years ago Ralph Shattuck told me it was worth about $75. Actually, I was surprised at the low number, but I didn't persue it. Jerry __________________ JerryB, Arizona, USA

03-13-2005, 09:05 AM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Hi, This is most definately an Eastern-German tool. I'm sorry about the NATO parts number mix-up. It's just a registration number and doesn't show up on the holster. The Numbers: 1005-25-102-7195 for the P08 without accessories. 1005-25-102-7196 for the P08 with accessories. According to Goertz the Norwegian P08 was phased out in 1980, being replaced by the Glock. A number (4000) of P08 and P38 pistols from Norwegian sources found their way into Canada in 1991. The holsters made their way onto the European market and can still be found there, both in modified and 'reconstructed' form.