I need help with a Borchardt

KevinThorpe · 06-17-2017, 06:01 PM

Hello Luger lover's.
Appreciate your help once again.
I'm in the UK and can only purchase "deactivated guns" (I don't own a Section 1 fire arm certificate).
Just bought a Borchardt C93 pistol.
I'll see if I can add pictures (I'm not up with technology?)
The Borchardt has no writing on it?
And no proof markings.
I'm thinking of sending sending it back...
All advice would be appreciated
They only made 3,000
This is numbered 1647
Help, help, help please...

mrerick · 06-17-2017, 06:14 PM

Take your pictures in shaded sunlight. Use a tripod and the self timer to avoid camera shake, and get them in sharp focus. Show any markings in closeup.

They need to be resized to about 1024 pixels across before uploading. There should be software that came with the camera that can help you do this.

This describes German proof laws, established in 1891:

http://www.germanguns.com/tech.html

I have only handled a couple Borchardt pistols so cannot tell you what to expect, but others here are more familiar.

I actually find it painful to think of deactivating something as rare as a C93...

DonVoigt · 06-17-2017, 07:52 PM

Marc,
why not move this to the discussion forum and out of site help?

Ron Wood · 06-17-2017, 10:06 PM

Kevin,
Your Borchardt is a relatively early DWM production. The original producer of the Borchardt, Waffenfabrik Loewe Berlin, merged with Deutche Metallpatronenfabrik in 1896 to became DWM. The transition from Loewe produced guns to DWM produced guns occurred roughly between serial number 1100 and 1125. There were about 3000 Borchardts produced, so DWM production spanned approximately serial number 1125 to 3000 and your gun would have been in the first 500-600 DWM pieces produced. The lack of any “writing” on your Borchardt is problematic and indicates very heavy metal removal during refinishing. It should bear the inscription “SYSTEM BORCHARDT PATENT./DEUTCHE WAFFEN – UND MUNITIONSFABRIKEN./BERLIN.” in three lines on the right side of the receiver and should have Crown BUG proofs on the barrel and Crown BU proofs on the left side of the receiver. The gun is OK as a representative example of a Borchardt but has minimal collector value in its condition.
Ron

06-17-2017, 06:01 PM	#1
KevinThorpe User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London England Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	I need help with a Borchardt Hello Luger lover's. Appreciate your help once again. I'm in the UK and can only purchase "deactivated guns" (I don't own a Section 1 fire arm certificate). Just bought a Borchardt C93 pistol. I'll see if I can add pictures (I'm not up with technology?) The Borchardt has no writing on it? And no proof markings. I'm thinking of sending sending it back... All advice would be appreciated They only made 3,000 This is numbered 1647 Help, help, help please...

06-17-2017, 06:14 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Take your pictures in shaded sunlight. Use a tripod and the self timer to avoid camera shake, and get them in sharp focus. Show any markings in closeup. They need to be resized to about 1024 pixels across before uploading. There should be software that came with the camera that can help you do this. This describes German proof laws, established in 1891: http://www.germanguns.com/tech.html I have only handled a couple Borchardt pistols so cannot tell you what to expect, but others here are more familiar. I actually find it painful to think of deactivating something as rare as a C93... __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-17-2017, 07:52 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Marc, why not move this to the discussion forum and out of site help? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-17-2017, 10:06 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Kevin, Your Borchardt is a relatively early DWM production. The original producer of the Borchardt, Waffenfabrik Loewe Berlin, merged with Deutche Metallpatronenfabrik in 1896 to became DWM. The transition from Loewe produced guns to DWM produced guns occurred roughly between serial number 1100 and 1125. There were about 3000 Borchardts produced, so DWM production spanned approximately serial number 1125 to 3000 and your gun would have been in the first 500-600 DWM pieces produced. The lack of any “writing” on your Borchardt is problematic and indicates very heavy metal removal during refinishing. It should bear the inscription “SYSTEM BORCHARDT PATENT./DEUTCHE WAFFEN – UND MUNITIONSFABRIKEN./BERLIN.” in three lines on the right side of the receiver and should have Crown BUG proofs on the barrel and Crown BU proofs on the left side of the receiver. The gun is OK as a representative example of a Borchardt but has minimal collector value in its condition. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction