Echave & Arizmendi Luger Look-A-Like

fruitjar · 01-09-2012, 08:11 PM

I ran across a Luger look-a-like today, it was a Echave & Arizmendi Lur Panzer .22 cal. The gun itself was in ok condition however the magazine was missing. I searched the internet without any luck, so I thought that I would try my luck here. Does anyone out there have one of these or have a magazine that they would like to part with? Sorry if anyone is offended since it is not a REAL Luger!! Thanks.

mrerick · 01-09-2012, 08:43 PM

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

I doubt anyone would be offended by your posting, but I for one would like to see what you have. Please post some pictures if you can.

Thanks, Marc

sheepherder · 01-15-2012, 11:19 AM

No idea on the magazine; it might be listed in Numrich under the importer name...here is a reference to it I found in Pistols Of The World...

(The US importer should have a stamp on the pistol somewhere...Please post pics; maybe we can figure out who brought these pistols in...)

ithacaartist · 01-16-2012, 12:27 PM

This really does look like an Erma La or Ep, the full-sized pistols. If I recall correctly, the KGP's are called "baby" Lugers because they are smaller in the same respects as the "Baby Lugers" created by John Martz and others--shortened grip frame and shorter bbl.
You might pick up an Erma mag, either original factory, or a replacement--another one of slightly different construction/configuration, for which there were at least three different makers. The replacements were designed for the Erma; I don't know why the lips of those mags are cut/shaped somewhat differently than the original factory.
If the Panzer functions like the Ep/La .22's, it will be like dealing with a cranky old lady to convince it to feed, eject, and cycle properly and dependably. If similar enough, the Panzer may also be mag sensitive and ammo sensitive, to the extreme. I've been engrossed in just what it takes to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, as far as these .22 pistols, so check for a posting or two in 'off topic/other guns" section if you're going to try to get a .22 blowback Luger wannabe to work acceptably!
David Parker

fruitjar · 01-19-2012, 08:44 PM

Thanks for the replies. As it turns out the owner does not want to part with the pistol even with my hounding him about it. I know he has a pic, I will see if he will forward it to me anyway and I'll post it.
Thanks Again, fruitjar

01-09-2012, 08:11 PM	#1
fruitjar User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Echave & Arizmendi Luger Look-A-Like I ran across a Luger look-a-like today, it was a Echave & Arizmendi Lur Panzer .22 cal. The gun itself was in ok condition however the magazine was missing. I searched the internet without any luck, so I thought that I would try my luck here. Does anyone out there have one of these or have a magazine that they would like to part with? Sorry if anyone is offended since it is not a REAL Luger!! Thanks.

01-09-2012, 08:43 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi, and welcome to the forum. I doubt anyone would be offended by your posting, but I for one would like to see what you have. Please post some pictures if you can. Thanks, Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-15-2012, 11:19 AM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	No idea on the magazine; it might be listed in Numrich under the importer name...here is a reference to it I found in Pistols Of The World... (The US importer should have a stamp on the pistol somewhere...Please post pics; maybe we can figure out who brought these pistols in...) Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-16-2012, 12:27 PM	#4
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 7,280 Thanked 2,578 Times in 1,365 Posts	This really does look like an Erma La or Ep, the full-sized pistols. If I recall correctly, the KGP's are called "baby" Lugers because they are smaller in the same respects as the "Baby Lugers" created by John Martz and others--shortened grip frame and shorter bbl. You might pick up an Erma mag, either original factory, or a replacement--another one of slightly different construction/configuration, for which there were at least three different makers. The replacements were designed for the Erma; I don't know why the lips of those mags are cut/shaped somewhat differently than the original factory. If the Panzer functions like the Ep/La .22's, it will be like dealing with a cranky old lady to convince it to feed, eject, and cycle properly and dependably. If similar enough, the Panzer may also be mag sensitive and ammo sensitive, to the extreme. I've been engrossed in just what it takes to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, as far as these .22 pistols, so check for a posting or two in 'off topic/other guns" section if you're going to try to get a .22 blowback Luger wannabe to work acceptably! David Parker

01-19-2012, 08:44 PM	#5
fruitjar User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the replies. As it turns out the owner does not want to part with the pistol even with my hounding him about it. I know he has a pic, I will see if he will forward it to me anyway and I'll post it. Thanks Again, fruitjar