1st Luger

rhpd201 · 11-11-2014, 06:15 PM

Hello all! Noob here - first post.

Okay, I've been collecting WWII firearms for about two years and have worked through most if not all of the less expensive arms. P08's have been on my wish list for some time, but the price has kept them out of reach. I ran into one at a gun show that was in my price range and bit.....

I believe it is re-blued. The frame does not match the receiver. However, all numbers for those components match. It is missing the hold open and hold open spring (which I have ordered). So, I now have a shooter - and my first

The receiver is S/42 (Mauser) with a 1937 barrel date. The bottom of the barrel has the same serial number as well as something that looks like "0182". Although, the 0 looks more like a symbol than a number. I couldn't get it to photograph well enough to post, but can kept trying if need be.

I bought this before I did much research. I know it does not have a lot of collector value; however, I am interested in figuring out (if possible) when the frame was made. The frame is numbered 3548 with a script "c". I only find 3 marks on the right side of the receiver and no marks on the frame - is that correct? I would have thought there would be proof marks or something on the frame - maybe I don't know where to look.

Are there any land mines I need to be aware of as a first time owner and shooter of these? I am aware of the ammo considerations (no +p, etc) - but is there anything else?

Best regards and thanks!

DavidJayUden · 11-11-2014, 06:42 PM

Give us some side profile photo shots of the rear edges of the frame. I think that I'm seeing the Mauser hump on the back, which would make it 1938-42, but am not certain. Is it stamped "P 08" on the left side?
dju

Edward Tinker · 11-11-2014, 06:57 PM

Looks like decent 1st luger, hopefully price was reasonable.

If talking about under the barrel marking, it could be the serial number, or if closer to the frame but still on barrel, it could be the land to land measurements, which would be. Something like 8,83 or the like.

Welcome to the forum.

rhpd201 · 11-11-2014, 07:23 PM

I hope these pics will work David. Edward, I'll bet the numbers I see are the land to land measurements - thanks! I've also posted a little better pic of the proof marks on the receiver.

rhpd201 · 11-11-2014, 07:23 PM

Oh - forgot. I don't see P08 anywhere on the frame.

DavidJayUden · 11-11-2014, 07:37 PM

OK, I'm thinking that the lower frame is about 1938-1940'ish. Others can be a bit more precise.
Looks like a nice gun.
Lots of forum members swear by Winchester "white box" FMJ ammo, and I've always had good luck with Fiochi 115 gr. FMJ.
Look it over and check the bore for obstructions.
Load it one round only for the first few times, then 2. Grip it tightly.
Have fun.
dju

rhpd201 · 11-11-2014, 08:31 PM

Thanks David - I appreciate the info. Is there a way to determine if the recoil spring is week? I don't want to damage it. I read somewhere else about putting 3 pieces of tape on the toggle. I believe they were claiming that if the tape is damaged then the gun is running too fast (weak spring).

DavidJayUden · 11-11-2014, 09:17 PM

That would be the process of marking or padding where the toggle stops against the very rear of the frame on full opening. I've never done it but it would be a way to measure rear travel and in effect spring tension.
Not a bad idea, but another reason to avoid "hyper" velocity ammo.
dju

Edward Tinker · 11-12-2014, 12:12 AM

I would think that no matter what the tape is going to get 'slapped' by the toggle, just happens.

I just helped a guy out and the 9mm luger spring was too strong - replaced it with a 30 luger spring, but I have not gone shooting yet. Discussion on that here, just recently, click on my name and then postings.

Ed

Sergio Natali · 11-12-2014, 03:46 AM

Firs of al welcome to his Forum.
Yes I think it's quite a nice first Luger, it has the Mauser hump, a magazine with a proper metal bottom (1925 until early 1940), from the pictures the gun looks reblued, in any cany case as I said it's a nice Luger.

Sergio

alanint · 11-12-2014, 05:55 AM

Yes, buffed and reblued.

John Sabato · 11-12-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Yes, buffed and reblued.

I concur, this is a nice gun, but IMHO, it has been refinished.

rhuff · 11-12-2014, 04:44 PM

For your first Luger, I think that you did just fine. It is a refinished, mixed part Luger which makes it perfect as a shooter, and a first luger. You may want to consider an additional mag, and the Mec-Gar aftermarket mags are the best of that breed, and very reasonably priced. I own shooters and utilize them frequently at the range. If you do your part, you will be amazed at their accuracy. Enjoy!!

rhpd201 · 11-20-2014, 09:38 PM

I think you all are correct on the re-blue. I'm working on a couple mec-gar mags but they seem to sell pretty quick when they're finally in stock. I've learned a lot from poking around this forum and appreciate all of the expertise here.

sheepherder · 11-20-2014, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhpd201

I'm working on a couple mec-gar mags but they seem to sell pretty quick when they're finally in stock.

Greg Cote had them in stock this morning. He has one less now, but may have more.

http://www.gregcotellc.com/cart/inde...x&cPath=97_128

rhpd201 · 11-20-2014, 10:20 PM

Thanks sheepherder! I got there in time.

kurusu · 11-21-2014, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Yes, buffed and reblued.

Well. It can be called custom combat dehorned.

In all seems to be a pretty decent shooter grade. Enjoy it.

rhpd201 · 11-22-2014, 04:04 PM

I've noticed that this luger does not have a stamp on the barrel on the right side. No eagle stamp. However, it does appear to be correctly stamped with the serial number on the bottom, witness mark, etc. Is this correct or could it be a replacement barrel? No biggie since it's just a shooter, but I am curious as to why the stamp on the right side is missing.

alanint · 11-23-2014, 02:02 PM

If you look at the overall level of buffing this pistol has received it would not be too hard to imagine a lightly struck barrel acceptance mark being all but obliterated.

kurusu · 11-24-2014, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhpd201

I've noticed that this luger does not have a stamp on the barrel on the right side. No eagle stamp. However, it does appear to be correctly stamped with the serial number on the bottom, witness mark, etc. Is this correct or could it be a replacement barrel? No biggie since it's just a shooter, but I am curious as to why the stamp on the right side is missing.

What Alanit said. You may try with a flash light in rasant angle find traces of the stamp.

11-11-2014, 06:15 PM	#1
rhpd201 User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1st Luger Hello all! Noob here - first post. Okay, I've been collecting WWII firearms for about two years and have worked through most if not all of the less expensive arms. P08's have been on my wish list for some time, but the price has kept them out of reach. I ran into one at a gun show that was in my price range and bit..... I believe it is re-blued. The frame does not match the receiver. However, all numbers for those components match. It is missing the hold open and hold open spring (which I have ordered). So, I now have a shooter - and my first The receiver is S/42 (Mauser) with a 1937 barrel date. The bottom of the barrel has the same serial number as well as something that looks like "0182". Although, the 0 looks more like a symbol than a number. I couldn't get it to photograph well enough to post, but can kept trying if need be. I bought this before I did much research. I know it does not have a lot of collector value; however, I am interested in figuring out (if possible) when the frame was made. The frame is numbered 3548 with a script "c". I only find 3 marks on the right side of the receiver and no marks on the frame - is that correct? I would have thought there would be proof marks or something on the frame - maybe I don't know where to look. Are there any land mines I need to be aware of as a first time owner and shooter of these? I am aware of the ammo considerations (no +p, etc) - but is there anything else? Best regards and thanks! Attached Thumbnails

11-11-2014, 06:57 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Looks like decent 1st luger, hopefully price was reasonable. If talking about under the barrel marking, it could be the serial number, or if closer to the frame but still on barrel, it could be the land to land measurements, which would be. Something like 8,83 or the like. Welcome to the forum. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-11-2014, 07:23 PM	#4
rhpd201 User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Additional Pics I hope these pics will work David. Edward, I'll bet the numbers I see are the land to land measurements - thanks! I've also posted a little better pic of the proof marks on the receiver. Attached Thumbnails

11-12-2014, 12:12 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I would think that no matter what the tape is going to get 'slapped' by the toggle, just happens. I just helped a guy out and the 9mm luger spring was too strong - replaced it with a 30 luger spring, but I have not gone shooting yet. Discussion on that here, just recently, click on my name and then postings. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-12-2014, 03:46 AM	#10
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Firs of al welcome to his Forum. Yes I think it's quite a nice first Luger, it has the Mauser hump, a magazine with a proper metal bottom (1925 until early 1940), from the pictures the gun looks reblued, in any cany case as I said it's a nice Luger. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-11-2014, 06:42 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Give us some side profile photo shots of the rear edges of the frame. I think that I'm seeing the Mauser hump on the back, which would make it 1938-42, but am not certain. Is it stamped "P 08" on the left side? dju

11-11-2014, 07:37 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	OK, I'm thinking that the lower frame is about 1938-1940'ish. Others can be a bit more precise. Looks like a nice gun. Lots of forum members swear by Winchester "white box" FMJ ammo, and I've always had good luck with Fiochi 115 gr. FMJ. Look it over and check the bore for obstructions. Load it one round only for the first few times, then 2. Grip it tightly. Have fun. dju

11-11-2014, 08:31 PM	#7
rhpd201 User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks David - I appreciate the info. Is there a way to determine if the recoil spring is week? I don't want to damage it. I read somewhere else about putting 3 pieces of tape on the toggle. I believe they were claiming that if the tape is damaged then the gun is running too fast (weak spring).

11-11-2014, 09:17 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	That would be the process of marking or padding where the toggle stops against the very rear of the frame on full opening. I've never done it but it would be a way to measure rear travel and in effect spring tension. Not a bad idea, but another reason to avoid "hyper" velocity ammo. dju

11-12-2014, 05:55 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Yes, buffed and reblued.

11-12-2014, 04:44 PM	#13
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	For your first Luger, I think that you did just fine. It is a refinished, mixed part Luger which makes it perfect as a shooter, and a first luger. You may want to consider an additional mag, and the Mec-Gar aftermarket mags are the best of that breed, and very reasonably priced. I own shooters and utilize them frequently at the range. If you do your part, you will be amazed at their accuracy. Enjoy!!

11-20-2014, 09:38 PM	#14
rhpd201 User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I think you all are correct on the re-blue. I'm working on a couple mec-gar mags but they seem to sell pretty quick when they're finally in stock. I've learned a lot from poking around this forum and appreciate all of the expertise here.

11-20-2014, 10:20 PM	#16
rhpd201 User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks sheepherder! I got there in time.

11-22-2014, 04:04 PM	#18
rhpd201 User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I've noticed that this luger does not have a stamp on the barrel on the right side. No eagle stamp. However, it does appear to be correctly stamped with the serial number on the bottom, witness mark, etc. Is this correct or could it be a replacement barrel? No biggie since it's just a shooter, but I am curious as to why the stamp on the right side is missing.

11-23-2014, 02:02 PM	#19
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	If you look at the overall level of buffing this pistol has received it would not be too hard to imagine a lightly struck barrel acceptance mark being all but obliterated.