byf 42 luger info

swattley · 02-08-2009, 09:59 PM

i would like some info on my luger i have had for many years. it is a byf 42 serial is #59 it is in mint condition all blueing is like new, all matching serieal numbers, except for the mags, it has walnut grips and wonder if these are original. should this gun have these bakelight grips? i have the 2 mags, holster and tool and a tag that shows the US soldier that brought it home. the story is his wife brought the gun to a local gun trader after he died, i purchased from this dealer who i have known for a long time and do trust his word. i have never shot this gun as the dealer suggested. any feed back would be great as to anything not original and an idea of current value.

A.Mifsin · 02-09-2009, 01:16 AM

Hi, If you post some photos it would a great help for somebody to give you the information you need.

Alf.

tharpo · 02-09-2009, 02:32 AM

swattley,
Fxo magazines with black plastic bottoms would be correct for your 1942 byf. Both wood or bakelite grips would be correct. If the inside of the grips are numbered to the gun than you would know they are definitely original.

alvin · 02-09-2009, 06:52 AM

According to what I've seen on the market, I would believe certain types of Lugers and Mausers were captured in unissued condition, either in Mauser factory, or in some storage places. Two typical examples are byf 42 Parabellum and Late 1930 Broomhandles. Otherwise, it's hard to explain why so many of them are in mint condition, the percentage of mint rate is way higher than other variations .... all restored? Highly unlikely because of the volume, and because of the relative value. Mint military byf 42 has the correct context, it does not have to be exceptional. For a specific instance, pictures speaks more than words.

swattley · 02-09-2009, 07:42 AM

i will take some pictures of it later

swattley · 02-10-2009, 08:43 PM

here are some pictures i took today of my lugar, i do have the plastic mag but before reading some post i thought this would have been the better mag with the metal bottom.

swattley · 02-10-2009, 08:48 PM

by the way the tag in the one picture has the soldier info from who brought it back, i got it from his wife through a local gun trader.

alvin · 02-10-2009, 09:11 PM

So far so good. Please note the discoloration on right side of the trigger, that's a very good sign. Any patina or light rust on grip? If I am considering this gun, now I can pay shipping for hand-on inspection

Mauser George · 02-10-2009, 09:48 PM

Swattley:

In the picture of the right hand side of the Luger, could you please confirm that the discoloring on the tiger is caused by the flash and not a wear area where the bluing is worn?

I would be interested in this Luger if you ever decide to sell.

Regards,

George

swattley · 02-10-2009, 10:49 PM

that is the flash there is not a flaw anywhere on the blueing. here we will get a couple detail pictures of that side with no flash. has anyone see a tag like this one in one of the other set of pictures. it states the gun is this soldiers gun and gives his name and the airborn group he was with.

alvin · 02-10-2009, 11:42 PM

OK. Reflection. Happy too early. Pix issue?

A.Mifsin · 02-11-2009, 01:42 AM

It is a very nice Luger, you are a lucky guy to have found it.
And the bring back tag makes it more interesting. Thank you for sharing.

Alf.

swattley · 02-11-2009, 06:44 AM

explain what you pointing at ?

alvin · 02-11-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swattley

explain what you pointing at ?

Sorry, I drunk a little alcohol and went to bed early last night.

German usually fit things well. The gap between the panel and the magazine retainer is big on this pistol, which I did not feel comfortable. Also, the arc of relief cut on the panel is a little bit irregular. The tilt scratches on the trigger look weird, and the edge on the lower side of the trigger is not sharp on the picture. The barrel and frame still look good (so far).

Personally, I don't have byf Luger, could these imperfection be period in 1942? I don't know. Just based on general observation on other German pistols.

swattley · 02-11-2009, 08:50 PM

anyone else ever post in this forum? i still have not had one idea of current value with the possesion tag. i thought there were alot more people interested in lugars out there that might be members of this forum.
and as far as the last post, the germans built this gun, they are the only ones that have ever touched it as far as i know. if you see imperfections in manufacturing bring them up with HITLER. i am happy with the gun and it will never be for sale. i just wanted to share it with this forum.

wlyon · 02-11-2009, 10:14 PM

The 42byf looks very good from the pictures. As for the tag I find it interesting, others could care less for tags or capture papers. For me personally it would be an added incentive to buy but would not add to value. I have a hard time giving values. I at least would need the luger in hand. A rough estimate anywhere from $1400 to $1800? Please do not be so quick to judge our forum members. Some of the worlds leading experts belong and contribute to it. Sometimes the responses are slow but always worth the wait. Just hang in there you'll be glad you did. Welcome to the forum. Bill

swattley · 02-11-2009, 10:45 PM

thanks bill,

alvin · 02-11-2009, 11:05 PM

I can ignore that grip .... wood stuff could shrink a little bit after so many years. It's so hard to ignore that trigger. Any thought? Is it because it's picture, or is it because it's replacable anyway, or is it because it's period? I called Hitler, he said it's not his business.

===

[left pix from Simpson http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=3927]

A.Mifsin · 02-12-2009, 01:50 AM

To give a good estimate of a gun one has to have it in hand as Bill has said. Another point to consider is that prices vary from country to country depends on the availability. I agree with BillÃ¢??s estimate, but on the other hand, a gun like yours would bring a bit better price in my country.
Regarding this forum what I can say is that I learned a lot and made some good friends, so hang on, because it is gold mine of information.

Alf.

swattley · 02-12-2009, 05:52 PM

i have a feeling the grips have been replaced, i looked in from under the mag and there are no numbers stamped on the grip. i saw a picture on this site and saw where they stamp the number but those grips were removed. did they stamp all the grips with the serial number? aso one grip moves side to side a very small amount on the top, i am not sure what that is about. i have never tried to remove anything so i dont want to mess with it. anyone know some details of how these grips are held in place?

02-08-2009, 09:59 PM	#1
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	byf 42 luger info i would like some info on my luger i have had for many years. it is a byf 42 serial is #59 it is in mint condition all blueing is like new, all matching serieal numbers, except for the mags, it has walnut grips and wonder if these are original. should this gun have these bakelight grips? i have the 2 mags, holster and tool and a tag that shows the US soldier that brought it home. the story is his wife brought the gun to a local gun trader after he died, i purchased from this dealer who i have known for a long time and do trust his word. i have never shot this gun as the dealer suggested. any feed back would be great as to anything not original and an idea of current value.

02-09-2009, 01:16 AM	#2
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Hi, If you post some photos it would a great help for somebody to give you the information you need. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

02-10-2009, 08:43 PM	#6
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	here are some pictures i took today of my lugar, i do have the plastic mag but before reading some post i thought this would have been the better mag with the metal bottom. Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2009, 10:49 PM	#10
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	that is the flash there is not a flaw anywhere on the blueing. here we will get a couple detail pictures of that side with no flash. has anyone see a tag like this one in one of the other set of pictures. it states the gun is this soldiers gun and gives his name and the airborn group he was with. Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2009, 11:42 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	OK. Reflection. Happy too early. Pix issue? Attached Images

02-09-2009, 02:32 AM	#3
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 537 Thanks: 116 Thanked 376 Times in 154 Posts	swattley, Fxo magazines with black plastic bottoms would be correct for your 1942 byf. Both wood or bakelite grips would be correct. If the inside of the grips are numbered to the gun than you would know they are definitely original.

02-09-2009, 06:52 AM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	According to what I've seen on the market, I would believe certain types of Lugers and Mausers were captured in unissued condition, either in Mauser factory, or in some storage places. Two typical examples are byf 42 Parabellum and Late 1930 Broomhandles. Otherwise, it's hard to explain why so many of them are in mint condition, the percentage of mint rate is way higher than other variations .... all restored? Highly unlikely because of the volume, and because of the relative value. Mint military byf 42 has the correct context, it does not have to be exceptional. For a specific instance, pictures speaks more than words.

02-09-2009, 07:42 AM	#5
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i will take some pictures of it later

02-10-2009, 08:48 PM	#7
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	by the way the tag in the one picture has the soldier info from who brought it back, i got it from his wife through a local gun trader.

02-10-2009, 09:11 PM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	So far so good. Please note the discoloration on right side of the trigger, that's a very good sign. Any patina or light rust on grip? If I am considering this gun, now I can pay shipping for hand-on inspection

02-10-2009, 09:48 PM	#9
Mauser George User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New York Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Swattley: In the picture of the right hand side of the Luger, could you please confirm that the discoloring on the tiger is caused by the flash and not a wear area where the bluing is worn? I would be interested in this Luger if you ever decide to sell. Regards, George

02-11-2009, 01:42 AM	#12
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	It is a very nice Luger, you are a lucky guy to have found it. And the bring back tag makes it more interesting. Thank you for sharing. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

02-11-2009, 06:44 AM	#13
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	explain what you pointing at ?

02-11-2009, 08:50 PM	#15
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	anyone else ever post in this forum? i still have not had one idea of current value with the possesion tag. i thought there were alot more people interested in lugars out there that might be members of this forum. and as far as the last post, the germans built this gun, they are the only ones that have ever touched it as far as i know. if you see imperfections in manufacturing bring them up with HITLER. i am happy with the gun and it will never be for sale. i just wanted to share it with this forum.

02-11-2009, 10:14 PM	#16
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	The 42byf looks very good from the pictures. As for the tag I find it interesting, others could care less for tags or capture papers. For me personally it would be an added incentive to buy but would not add to value. I have a hard time giving values. I at least would need the luger in hand. A rough estimate anywhere from $1400 to $1800? Please do not be so quick to judge our forum members. Some of the worlds leading experts belong and contribute to it. Sometimes the responses are slow but always worth the wait. Just hang in there you'll be glad you did. Welcome to the forum. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-11-2009, 10:45 PM	#17
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks bill,

02-11-2009, 11:05 PM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I can ignore that grip .... wood stuff could shrink a little bit after so many years. It's so hard to ignore that trigger. Any thought? Is it because it's picture, or is it because it's replacable anyway, or is it because it's period? I called Hitler, he said it's not his business. === [left pix from Simpson http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=3927] Attached Thumbnails Last edited by alvin; 02-12-2009 at 12:03 AM.

02-12-2009, 01:50 AM	#19
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	To give a good estimate of a gun one has to have it in hand as Bill has said. Another point to consider is that prices vary from country to country depends on the availability. I agree with BillÃ¢??s estimate, but on the other hand, a gun like yours would bring a bit better price in my country. Regarding this forum what I can say is that I learned a lot and made some good friends, so hang on, because it is gold mine of information. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

02-12-2009, 05:52 PM	#20
swattley User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i have a feeling the grips have been replaced, i looked in from under the mag and there are no numbers stamped on the grip. i saw a picture on this site and saw where they stamp the number but those grips were removed. did they stamp all the grips with the serial number? aso one grip moves side to side a very small amount on the top, i am not sure what that is about. i have never tried to remove anything so i dont want to mess with it. anyone know some details of how these grips are held in place?