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Unread 04-23-2020, 03:07 PM   #1
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I will upload more pics when I can but this Luger appears to be a commercial prototype but I canít be sure. Possible rework stamp on back of strap but the 8Ē barrel is really throwing me off. Need some true experts.
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What caliber? .45?
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Unread 04-23-2020, 04:19 PM   #3
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chambered in 9mm
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Your pictures do not show enough detail to reach any kind of conclusion WRT being a prototype.

More pictures, inside and out and with much greater detail are needed.

From what I can see, it appears to be a very nicely done rework of a 1906 Imperial Luger.
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Completely understand. I am unable to get much more in terms of detail as the owner doesn't seem inclined to really help me out by digging into it. He is asking $1700 for it and that just seems too high to me.
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The hole in the barrel looks to be too large for 9MM. i agree with you, it is over priced whatever it is.
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A conglomeration built on 1906 frame; the fingers mysteriously appeared after I looked again; got to stop this looking without my reading glasses. .
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At most, worth about half the asking price as a "shooter".

I don't believe it's a 1970's commercial Mauser frame, but rather a M1906 frame.

IIRC, the safety on the Mauser frames wrapped around and entered both sides of the grip. Perhaps the cutouts were only on the grips, and they used an original M1906 safety?

Gerben or Mauro would know if they did an exact M1906 later after Sam Cummins requested a return to the classic designs.

Note that at some point, an original serial number on front of the frame may have been removed and changed to "04". Changing a serial number is against ATF regulations in the USA if this was what was done.
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Side plate looks weird, like someone shaped it with a hand file. The fur backdrop is also weird.

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You gotta love fur!
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I do, but its awfully tough on the animal
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At most, worth about half the asking price as a "shooter".

I don't believe it's a 1970's commercial Mauser frame, but rather a M1906 frame.

IIRC, the safety on the Mauser frames wrapped around and entered both sides of the grip. Perhaps the cutouts were only on the grips, and they used an original M1906 safety?

Gerben or Mauro would know if they did an exact M1906 later after Sam Cummins requested a return to the classic designs.

Note that at some point, an original serial number on front of the frame may have been removed and changed to "04". Changing a serial number is against ATF regulations in the USA if this was what was done.
The rear view of the frame shows the lack of the "fingers" on either side of the toggle, leaving open spaces- these are filled on ''real" lugers and the gap is typical of Mauser 1970 vintage copies.

Since it has a serial number, just how would one "prove" it was changed? or when, or where, and perhaps when it was "manufactured"? It is not "obvious" that it is altered, so why worry?
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Reblued, no proof marks, maybe 1970's repro production but that would have proofs I think?
Grips have an uncheckered border unusually narrow. Maybe a Bubba Gunworks prototype. I would not count on it being a reliable shooter. Overpriced by at least $1000
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One other difference between the frame on this gun and the 1970's Mauser frame is the width of the boarder around the frame ears left after milling. It's narrow on the 1970's Mauser frame, and the one shown is wider as in an Imperial era Luger frame.

Again, I don't know if the later Mauser Parabellum production made closer to what Sam Cummings wanted changed back to the wider ear border.

I'm trying to visualize the "fingers" on the rear of the frame.

This is the rear of my M1906 DWM luger:



This is a later P08 Luger:



Are these areas around the notch the "fingers" mentioned?
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I only have a fraction of the knowledge that many guys on this Forum have, but to me that Luger looks like mixmaster, I would probably pass it.
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It's a 1906 frame, not Post War Parabellum.

Machining details differ on the frame ramps and the 1970s Mausers don't have the 'fingers'.
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OK, A 1906 frame but different grips, possible 1970 Mauser and what looks to be a 1970 Mauser toggle train? no fingers at the back, no checkering on the face of the toggles, no proof marks plus and a strange barrel profile. Bubba Gunworks prototype.
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actually I should have said Mauser rear toggle link. Who knows what the front part of the train is from.
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I see all original luger parts, DWM on toggle. It has 1906 features, with a changed barrel, and fresh blue and # on front. Notice u rear sight groove.
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If the pistol is 1,700 and the seller is not willing to do whatever he can then it's a moot point what it is anyway, if its not obvious what it is then move on to the next one, there's always a next one.
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