Navy?? information needed

lugercollector · 10-31-2002, 10:10 PM

I have been offered a DWM Luger with a 1917 chamber date,O 1555 stamped in front gripstrap,with two crown M stamps on left receiver,one crown M underneath barrel...the gun has a 4" barrel and regular rear toggle...all numbers are matching...any info on what this is would be a help...I know the Gripstrap marks are Weimar property numbers for the naval base...but why the crown M stamps????....Thanks...Peter...

Navy · 10-31-2002, 11:51 PM

Hi Peter,

What you have is an Imperial navy pistol (In 1917, World War I was still raging and the kaiser was still in charge) that was converted to 4" to comply with the provisions of the Versailles treaty. The Imperial Proofs remain because there was no reason to remove them.

Hope you can score a properly marked tool and holster with the pistol!

Tom A.

lugercollector · 11-01-2002, 10:04 AM

Hi Tom....Thanks for the info...no tool...no holster....the crown M on the 4" barrel intrigues me...if the barrel had been replaced why would that be there???...Peter...

Edward Tinker · 11-01-2002, 11:51 AM

Peter, I don't think the barrel was replaced, but was cut down to be in compliance with the Versai, versailless, the treaty from WW1.

Thor · 11-01-2002, 12:20 PM

Check for a barrel band, if it has a band it is probably a replacement, if it is smooth on the outside of the barrel near the muzzle it is a cut job to comply with the Treaty.

lugercollector · 11-05-2002, 08:54 AM

Thor...yes there is a barrel band...and the barrel has a crown M on it...Peter

Lugerdoc · 11-05-2002, 09:14 AM

Peter, There were in fact some 9x100mm (4" barreled Navies) produced, but they would not have a chamber date and would be of the M08 or M14 commerical type in their own serial number range of about 1 to 150. Tom H.

Dwight Gruber · 11-05-2002, 09:43 AM

Do I recall correctly, reading somewhere that cut-down barrels sometimes had barrel bands silver-soldered to them?

--Dwight

lugercollector · 11-05-2002, 01:12 PM

Thanks for the info Gentlemen...the barrel band is not silver soldered on...is numbered to the gun...I have made an offer on a collection that includes this one...will post pictures when I receive the gun...Peter...(serial number is #4086 no suffix)

10-31-2002, 10:10 PM	#1
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Navy?? information needed I have been offered a DWM Luger with a 1917 chamber date,O 1555 stamped in front gripstrap,with two crown M stamps on left receiver,one crown M underneath barrel...the gun has a 4" barrel and regular rear toggle...all numbers are matching...any info on what this is would be a help...I know the Gripstrap marks are Weimar property numbers for the naval base...but why the crown M stamps????....Thanks...Peter...

11-01-2002, 12:20 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Check for a barrel band, if it has a band it is probably a replacement, if it is smooth on the outside of the barrel near the muzzle it is a cut job to comply with the Treaty. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-05-2002, 09:14 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Peter, There were in fact some 9x100mm (4" barreled Navies) produced, but they would not have a chamber date and would be of the M08 or M14 commerical type in their own serial number range of about 1 to 150. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-31-2002, 11:51 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Peter, What you have is an Imperial navy pistol (In 1917, World War I was still raging and the kaiser was still in charge) that was converted to 4" to comply with the provisions of the Versailles treaty. The Imperial Proofs remain because there was no reason to remove them. Hope you can score a properly marked tool and holster with the pistol! Tom A.

11-01-2002, 10:04 AM	#3
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Hi Tom....Thanks for the info...no tool...no holster....the crown M on the 4" barrel intrigues me...if the barrel had been replaced why would that be there???...Peter...

11-01-2002, 11:51 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Peter, I don't think the barrel was replaced, but was cut down to be in compliance with the Versai, versailless, the treaty from WW1. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-05-2002, 08:54 AM	#6
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Thor...yes there is a barrel band...and the barrel has a crown M on it...Peter

11-05-2002, 09:43 AM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Do I recall correctly, reading somewhere that cut-down barrels sometimes had barrel bands silver-soldered to them? --Dwight

11-05-2002, 01:12 PM	#9
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Thanks for the info Gentlemen...the barrel band is not silver soldered on...is numbered to the gun...I have made an offer on a collection that includes this one...will post pictures when I receive the gun...Peter...(serial number is #4086 no suffix)