Borchardt C/93 Modelgun

[sheepherder]

Two Japanese modelgun manufacturers are producing Borchartd C/93 models...Hartford and CAW...

That is the good news...The bad news is they do not sell or ship overseas...

First manufacturer is Hartford -

http://www.hartford.co.jp/borchardt/index.htm



Price (in Japan) is ~$428 USD...(gun only)...

The second manufacturer is CAW -

http://www.caw.co.jp/caw/borchardt/index.html

http://www.caw.co.jp/caw/borchardt/point.html





Price (in Japan) is ~$401 USD...

A lot of dough for a plastic model...

...Or a good price for a 3D CAD model...

[rhuff]

That is a lot of dough for a plastic model, but they do look good in the photos!!

[Douglas Jr.]

Well, I never thought I would see a repro Borchardt.
Yes, it is expensive, but it would be fun to have one without having buyers remorse for spend 20,000 for the privilege of handling an original one.

[alanint]

These models are made up of cast, molded and machined parts. They are not just junk. You would be hard pressed to tell them from a mint original at 2 feet distance.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by alanint

These models are made up of cast, molded and machined parts. They are not just junk. You would be hard pressed to tell them from a mint original at 2 feet distance.

Most disassemble the same as the originals. Some fire PFC [plug firing cap] cartridges which resemble 'real' cartridges. I don't know if either of these do as I don't read Japanese and these two have only been released this year (possibly not yet in circulation). Haven't seen any reviews, and only one announcement on modelgun forum. I'm also not familiar with either manufacturer, although the pics on the CAW site are somewhat amusing; they did one in white plastic and one in black, and intermixed the parts, making some strange views...

I have corresponded with one manufacturer/distributor and found out they do a 'run' of each model they make each year, and then re-tool and move on to the next model. QC, packaging, manuals etc are all done at once and the models are warehoused until ordered. So if they only make 250 C/93's this year and they sell out fast, you have to wait a year (or whatever their cycle is) to order one. I have a backorder on a similar modelgun which should be in production right now and should ship at the end of the month (regrettably, not the C/93).

Hartford has a video on YouTube of their modelgun being cycled...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ep-6X0R1Zbc

CAW has a couple of videos as well...In fact, they seem to be showing that 'real' C/93 parts interchange with their modelgun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mttQnP2jqI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfmZpfK7_Hc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YApleUuZgM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BluWYC3zGU

[rhuff]

If that C93 is made of metal and was offered in the USA, I might be hard pressed to not purchase one....just because!!

[sheepherder]

A modelgun forum member emailed me that although the manufacturers do not sell/ship overseas, some modelshops do...

I am trying to find out more...I will definitely try to get one...

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by postino

A modelgun forum member emailed me that although the manufacturers do not sell/ship overseas, some modelshops do...

I am trying to find out more...I will definitely try to get one...

Hope you succeed. If the model is as good as the photos indicate, I would be interested in purchasing one. It would save wear and tear on my original for demonstration purposes plus it is a really snarky play toy (albeit expensive ).

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

If the model is as good as the photos indicate, I would be interested in purchasing one...

If you are interested in emailing the modelgun enthusiast about possible purchase, shoot me an email/PM. I'm told there is one Hartford [HWS] C/93 modelgun left in his favorite modelshop.

[alvin]

It worth the money. Putting the model gun aside, I guess a well made full size repro Borchardt stock probably can sell a couple of hundred dollars in the U.S. Is the stock part of the package?

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by alvin

Is the stock part of the package?

It is an option, or can be ordered/bought with case, cartridges, rod, etc as a package, for extra. Prices I posted were conversion of Yen for pistol only, if bought in Japan.

Here's the full set...

Borchardt - dummy cartridge model gun formula [full set] 99,750 yen including tax = $1039

Is that outrageous or what??? That's, like, 1/25th of what a real set went for...ten years ago...

[rhuff]

I would have to pass on the complete set, but it is neat looking and would be quite a conversation piece.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by rhuff

I would have to pass on the complete set...

I am too...But I am committed to just the modelgun...The CAW hasn't been released yet...

Here is excerpt from members PM to me...

richie,

Hi,
Let me explain about the models. HWS (Hartford) start selling Borchardt last year. This is constructed mainly by heavy weighted plastic with few zinc parts...

The cost of this gun is JPY37,800 comes with a gun case. Wooden shoulder stock or holster are options, it will not comes with the gun...

Another option is, CAW (Craft Apple Works). They are also planning to sell Borchardt sometime soon. I think the price will surpass JPY40,000. But in general terms, CAW has better quality over HWS. CAW scale the gun to the point they can interchange some parts with real gun. If I were you, I will wait CAW even I pay extra money. At this point, I do not know if CAW comes with a gun case like the one in HWS or not.

So in 2nd pic in my post above this [#11], the HWS comes with the case shown...

[kzullick]

Neat idea but I would rather put the money towards another Luger purchase.

[Ron Wood]

I watched the CAW clips...I'm impressed.

[rhuff]

There was no mention of how the CAW pistol is constructed......if plastic or metal. Any idea of construction?

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by rhuff

There was no mention of how the CAW pistol is constructed......if plastic or metal. Any idea of construction?

CAW Borchardt Pistole
Type: Dummy model gun cart
Length: 351.8 mm
Height gun: 189.9 mm
Weight: ----- G
Caliber: 7.65x25 Borchardt
Number of Capacity: From 8
Actuation: Toggle action
Material: Heavy weight, zinc alloy, other
Price: ¥ 42,000.
All the manufacturers suggested retail price is the list price of the Share (excluding tax).

I think the 'heavy weight' refers to the kind of plastic [ABS]...

Who wouldn't want one of these???



As near as Google can translate, the white parts are the first mold/prototype and the dark (and wood) parts are actual Borchardt...Demonstrating how close the parts are to real size/shape...

Here's the Zinc parts...



And the 'heavy weight' grip frame...



I'm also reading that CAW will -

"Including stock, we will release the content of the set of all sequentially.
I want to sell a full set from the beginning and wham, I will not hand you will surely come out, better to put the soul went point by point that I made ​​in order because it is good."

[Ron Wood]

Appears/sounds like the frame, barrel/receiver and breech bolt are "heavy weight" (presumably plastic) and the remainder of the parts are metal. It will be interesting to see one of these up close some day.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Appears/sounds like the frame, barrel/receiver and breech bolt are "heavy weight" (presumably plastic) and the remainder of the parts are metal. It will be interesting to see one of these up close some day.

If you look closely at the Zinc parts pic, the entire toggle train is Zinc...And the trigger, spring box, 'sideplate', safety, sear, mag release, and what appears to be the rear portion of the receiver (where the spring box attaches)...I think...

Ron, you can confirm what that is...It'd be like the real one...

[rhuff]

My, but this is most interesting. I most likely should not be looking at these photos, but it definately has my attention.