"S" stamp

suum cuique · 10-31-2010, 12:52 PM

Gents,
what kind of stamp is this? (S)

Ron Smith · 10-31-2010, 01:05 PM

Andy,

Everyone would like to know the answer to that.

Here's an extensive survey thread started by Dwight Gruber, one of the most "Techno" savvy members on Lugers we have.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ghlight=Circle

Ron

Norme · 10-31-2010, 01:27 PM

Just to confuse the issue even more, two of the Navies in the Navy List have the circle S stamp on their left receivers, and neither have police markings. The first, a 1906 1st Altered, #4304a, is illustrated in "The Navy Luger" by John Walter, the second, a 1917 #620a, has it's chamber marked 1920/1917. Both have 6" barrels and two position Navy sights. Regards, Norm

suum cuique · 10-31-2010, 03:20 PM

Ron, Norme, thank you!

Karl · 10-31-2010, 05:48 PM

Interesting gun. Obviously a police gun that used to have a sear safety and magazine safety. I note the unusual front sight (looks very low profile). Take down lever not original but looks expertly made (damage to side plate, etc. suggests how original might have been broken). Coloring of barrel suggests it might be a replacement. Can't tell from first photo: is it a navy magazine or aftermarket?
Although Dwights survey was inconclusive the 1920 property mark and police mods seem to be typical.
KFS

JTD · 11-01-2010, 10:55 AM

Norm, correction on circle S Navy. #260a not 620a John

suum cuique · 11-01-2010, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

Interesting gun. Obviously a police gun that used to have a sear safety and magazine safety. I note the unusual front sight (looks very low profile). Take down lever not original but looks expertly made (damage to side plate, etc. suggests how original might have been broken). Coloring of barrel suggests it might be a replacement. Can't tell from first photo: is it a navy magazine or aftermarket?
Although Dwights survey was inconclusive the 1920 property mark and police mods seem to be typical.
KFS

Karl, it's an aftermarket magazine, not a navy mag.

Dwight Gruber · 11-07-2010, 03:36 PM

Is there a number stamped on the back of the frame?

--Dwight

suum cuique · 11-07-2010, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Is there a number stamped on the back of the frame?

--Dwight

Where exactly?

Don M · 11-07-2010, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suum cuique

Where exactly?

Andy, it would be above the lanyard loop.

Also, is there any evidence that there may have once been a marking on the front grip strap?

suum cuique · 11-10-2010, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M

Andy, it would be above the lanyard loop.

Also, is there any evidence that there may have once been a marking on the front grip strap?

Don,
there are no markings on the grip strap but there is a x-out # above the lanyard loop.

Don M · 11-11-2010, 11:54 AM

Andy, I'm sure Dwight can comment more knowledgeably on the rear frame marking; however, these are found on many, if not most, of the police Lugers with the circled-S stamp. In several instances, specifically the Lugers of the Schupo of Mannheim, the numbers on the rear frame match the property numbers on the grip strap (see www.historywritinsteel.com).

suum cuique · 11-11-2010, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don M

Andy, I'm sure Dwight can comment more knowledgeably on the rear frame marking; however, these are found on many, if not most, of the police Lugers with the circled-S stamp. In several instances, specifically the Lugers of the Schupo of Mannheim, the numbers on the rear frame match the property numbers on the grip strap (see www.historywritinsteel.com).

Thanks alot Don,

10-31-2010, 12:52 PM	#1
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	"S" stamp Gents, what kind of stamp is this? (S) __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

11-11-2010, 11:54 AM	#12
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Andy, I'm sure Dwight can comment more knowledgeably on the rear frame marking; however, these are found on many, if not most, of the police Lugers with the circled-S stamp. In several instances, specifically the Lugers of the Schupo of Mannheim, the numbers on the rear frame match the property numbers on the grip strap (see www.historywritinsteel.com). __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

10-31-2010, 01:05 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Andy, Everyone would like to know the answer to that. Here's an extensive survey thread started by Dwight Gruber, one of the most "Techno" savvy members on Lugers we have. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ghlight=Circle Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-31-2010, 01:27 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,416 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,595 Times in 932 Posts	Just to confuse the issue even more, two of the Navies in the Navy List have the circle S stamp on their left receivers, and neither have police markings. The first, a 1906 1st Altered, #4304a, is illustrated in "The Navy Luger" by John Walter, the second, a 1917 #620a, has it's chamber marked 1920/1917. Both have 6" barrels and two position Navy sights. Regards, Norm

10-31-2010, 03:20 PM	#4
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Ron, Norme, thank you! __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

10-31-2010, 05:48 PM	#5
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 254 Times in 113 Posts	Interesting gun. Obviously a police gun that used to have a sear safety and magazine safety. I note the unusual front sight (looks very low profile). Take down lever not original but looks expertly made (damage to side plate, etc. suggests how original might have been broken). Coloring of barrel suggests it might be a replacement. Can't tell from first photo: is it a navy magazine or aftermarket? Although Dwights survey was inconclusive the 1920 property mark and police mods seem to be typical. KFS

11-01-2010, 10:55 AM	#6
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 217 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Norm, correction on circle S Navy. #260a not 620a John

11-07-2010, 03:36 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Is there a number stamped on the back of the frame? --Dwight