What would be the best kayak pistol? - Page 2

John Sabato · 09-29-2003, 11:32 AM

Okay Viggo... I'll bite! (pun intended) How you gonna stay ahead of any bear if granted your ten yard head start?

( I am probably going to regret asking this! )

Doubs · 09-29-2003, 12:11 PM

John, I'll bet it has something to do with slippin' & sliddin' in a matter deposited on the ground behind Viggo at every step!

ViggoG · 09-30-2003, 01:07 AM

John,

Somehow me thinkith that "Doubs" has done a bit of hunting in bear country.

He knows that the one running up hill on dry ground, is so much faster. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
ViggoG
PS, Have you by chance been told that,
The Right Swiss Grip is "Right". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
and
The Left Swiss Grip is also "Right".

and that makes it "Wrong". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Ron Wood · 09-30-2003, 02:03 AM

If I'm packin' for bear, nothing short of a 105 howitzer is going to make me feel secure. Just need a bigger kayak

kidvett · 09-30-2003, 01:30 PM

When the Bear attacks, do 1/2 round of boxing. Then after he gives you a real good jab: PLAY DEAD !!

For other possibilities, I'll go for a S & W M29 4in. with 300gr heavy loads...

Kidvett

schwob · 10-03-2003, 08:18 PM

Has any one given thought to a MAC-10 or 11 in 45ACP? I believe they come with a 32 rd. mag. Might be enough to get the job done, or at least even the playing field...

Chaos · 11-25-2003, 02:23 PM

Hmm..surprised at some of the choices here. Let's assume you are gonna have a chance to do anything (and the chances are slim) then you will probably not do a lot to him with a few shots from any handgun. So you are gonna need multiple shots. So let's count out a revolver. If I had to choose a revolver, for size and power, a Charter Arms bulldog or any short barrel .44 mag would be my choice. However, since I want more shots, and ultimate resistance to rust, I would go for a Glock. More than you want to spend, but the G29 in 10mm will do the job well, otherwise a G27 or 23 for size, even though the .40 is a bit underpowered for this purpose. I vote G29, 10mm with the (preban) G20 extension mag for 13 rounds. Use FMJ for penetration. Hey, just my 2c, but think about it.

G.T. · 11-27-2003, 12:05 PM

Hey Guys! I've watched some programs on poachers in Africa...(taking rhinos!) in every picture where they have busted a poacher, they show an abused and well used AK 47! I think we're missing something here.. perhaps a lot of high energy ball ammo in the head, neck, spine might keep you from getting the unit shoved up your posterior, (as Wes stated earlier).... I'd stake my chances on an AR 15... I know that at the very least, I'll hit him! Till...later...GT

Jack Lawman · 11-28-2003, 10:41 AM

I've never hunted in bear country, but here's my take on it. If you put 20 dudes with short barreled, .44 mags against 20 bears.... likely one of the dudes will get a shot off into the eye, skull, or throat of the bear (at contact distance). Maybe you disagree and put the chances at 1/30, or 1/40, but whatever the chances, carrying something will give you psychological comfort as you navigate the woods. If you are the type of person who thinks, "I will be the one out of 20," it will give you great comfort.

Besides, would you rather spend your last moments in a momentary tactical retreat waiting to spring the last ditch, all-or-nothing counterattack or spend them running down a hill like a scared chicken with sullied pants. When you get to heaven and attend your first "Mauled by a Bear" support group meeting, would you rather be in BDU's or a chicken suit? "Hello, my name is Roger and I ran like a chicken..."

Maybe I watched too many army movies as a youngin' or maybe I haven't run into enough wild bears (none, as of this morning), but that's how I see it anyway.

Most of the bears I run into wear red bandanas and shoot back. I've been fortunate enough never to have to shoot at or be shot at by one of them, but I've run into my fair share of them. I do feel that although my tactical approach will be different if I run into a brown furry one, my mindset will be the same... "I'm going home today."

Jack

09-29-2003, 11:32 AM	#21
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Okay Viggo... I'll bite! (pun intended) How you gonna stay ahead of any bear if granted your ten yard head start? ( I am probably going to regret asking this! ) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-30-2003, 02:03 AM	#24
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	If I'm packin' for bear, nothing short of a 105 howitzer is going to make me feel secure. Just need a bigger kayak __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-28-2003, 10:41 AM	#29
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	I've never hunted in bear country, but here's my take on it. If you put 20 dudes with short barreled, .44 mags against 20 bears.... likely one of the dudes will get a shot off into the eye, skull, or throat of the bear (at contact distance). Maybe you disagree and put the chances at 1/30, or 1/40, but whatever the chances, carrying something will give you psychological comfort as you navigate the woods. If you are the type of person who thinks, "I will be the one out of 20," it will give you great comfort. Besides, would you rather spend your last moments in a momentary tactical retreat waiting to spring the last ditch, all-or-nothing counterattack or spend them running down a hill like a scared chicken with sullied pants. When you get to heaven and attend your first "Mauled by a Bear" support group meeting, would you rather be in BDU's or a chicken suit? "Hello, my name is Roger and I ran like a chicken..." Maybe I watched too many army movies as a youngin' or maybe I haven't run into enough wild bears (none, as of this morning), but that's how I see it anyway. Most of the bears I run into wear red bandanas and shoot back. I've been fortunate enough never to have to shoot at or be shot at by one of them, but I've run into my fair share of them. I do feel that although my tactical approach will be different if I run into a brown furry one, my mindset will be the same... "I'm going home today." Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

09-29-2003, 12:11 PM	#22
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	John, I'll bet it has something to do with slippin' & sliddin' in a matter deposited on the ground behind Viggo at every step!

09-30-2003, 01:07 AM	#23
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John, Somehow me thinkith that "Doubs" has done a bit of hunting in bear country. He knows that the one running up hill on dry ground, is so much faster. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> ViggoG PS, Have you by chance been told that, The Right Swiss Grip is "Right". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> and The Left Swiss Grip is also "Right". and that makes it "Wrong". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

09-30-2003, 01:30 PM	#25
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	When the Bear attacks, do 1/2 round of boxing. Then after he gives you a real good jab: PLAY DEAD !! For other possibilities, I'll go for a S & W M29 4in. with 300gr heavy loads... Kidvett

10-03-2003, 08:18 PM	#26
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Has any one given thought to a MAC-10 or 11 in 45ACP? I believe they come with a 32 rd. mag. Might be enough to get the job done, or at least even the playing field...

11-25-2003, 02:23 PM	#27
Chaos New User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hmm..surprised at some of the choices here. Let's assume you are gonna have a chance to do anything (and the chances are slim) then you will probably not do a lot to him with a few shots from any handgun. So you are gonna need multiple shots. So let's count out a revolver. If I had to choose a revolver, for size and power, a Charter Arms bulldog or any short barrel .44 mag would be my choice. However, since I want more shots, and ultimate resistance to rust, I would go for a Glock. More than you want to spend, but the G29 in 10mm will do the job well, otherwise a G27 or 23 for size, even though the .40 is a bit underpowered for this purpose. I vote G29, 10mm with the (preban) G20 extension mag for 13 rounds. Use FMJ for penetration. Hey, just my 2c, but think about it.

11-27-2003, 12:05 PM	#28
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,485 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,581 Times in 989 Posts	Hey Guys! I've watched some programs on poachers in Africa...(taking rhinos!) in every picture where they have busted a poacher, they show an abused and well used AK 47! I think we're missing something here.. perhaps a lot of high energy ball ammo in the head, neck, spine might keep you from getting the unit shoved up your posterior, (as Wes stated earlier).... I'd stake my chances on an AR 15... I know that at the very least, I'll hit him! Till...later...GT