Poll: Ban of "automatic handguns ?" - Page 2

John Sabato · 10-29-2002, 09:27 AM

How about just taking a digital photo of the sticker and then posting that [img]smile.gif[/img] Seems easier than either of the previously suggested solutions...

Mark A · 10-29-2002, 09:32 PM

JuergenG
Apparently everyone else here understands perfectly what is meant by "Reddish and Vegetable Taliban".

"The God who makes iron grow has no love of slaves" E.M.Arndt

Big Norm · 10-30-2002, 12:01 AM

JuergenG,
I am greatly impressed at how well Europeans speak and write English. Your writings are good. We have a apar woman staying with us from Hamburg and she speaks as well as you write. But she is a no nonsense type of woman and does not have your humor. Keep writing, good buddy. Its good to hear from our gun brothers in other parts of the world.
Big Norm <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Jimbo · 10-30-2002, 12:13 AM

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10-30-2002, 03:13 AM

JuergenG · 10-30-2002, 05:29 AM

Big Norm,
I realize that I'm getting pretty sarcastic lately. That applies to both business and folks talking about restrictions/bans on firearms mostly not having any clue, ignoring FACTS which are in favour of law abiding legal gun owners.
Media over here gave us a real hard time after the shooting in the Erfurt school, heavily supported by the tree hugging community. That has led to further restrictions but it didn't come to the worst. As this government has just gotten re-elected we are in expectation of more to come.

In case anyone in the community feels that I'm using a too strong language let me know and I'll try to behave.
Juergen

John Sabato · 10-30-2002, 10:49 AM

Jimbo,

I believe that we need a response from you here...

Jimbo · 10-30-2002, 11:45 AM

Hi tacfoley,

I want to beg your forgiveness with my thoughtless remark about the British.
Stupid rempark and poorly done, I intended to endear myself with the Australian posters as America and Australia were both the children of Great Britian. Instead, I alienated the English.

Please don't leave the forum, tacfoley! You have made interesting contributions in the past and I hope I have not gotten on your blacklist with my stupid remark. Don't leave!

My callous comment came as much from the frustration of seeing the effect of gun control on the British.

The British who dominated the high seas for 100 years? The British who spawed a hundred colonies across the globe in the largest (physically) empire the world has ever seen.

The same British who stood up to Hitler, completely alone, and single-handedly thwarted the complete domination of Europe? (I can hardly imagine Hitler inheriting the British Navy or America losing a staging ground for the invasion of Europe.) The British who's system of government and citizens, I gratefully note, are responsible for the very birth and ascension of America.

The British people, like the Americans, have always been so independent and gutsy it is hard to watch the disarming in progress. It is hard to know that it is a precursor to what will happen here in time. It is hard to imagine the British people handing over their guns because their government says to, rather than hiding the guns as a check against tyranny.

Tacfoley, I have nothing but respect for Britain and her people. England has always been America's foremost ally in cooperation and in capability. I would love to visit (if I haven't been banned from the island!)

My banal remark came only from the frustration of hearing of the increasing crime rates and knowing this comes from the English governments imposing gun-control on the honest people.

I put my foot in my mouth and at this point I want to apologize sincerely to someone who is certainly twice the man I will ever be and beg your forgiveness because I sure didn't mean to hurt your feelings, or to insult you or to insult any of the Britsh people of whom I am fond.

I'm sorry, Major. I hope you'll say you forgive me.

Jimbo · 10-30-2002, 12:06 PM

I'd like to futher apologize to the moderators and members of the forum for upsetting another person and possibly causing them to leave the Forum. My words were flippant. Their effect real. I was stupid. It won't happen again. Not even in jest.

This is a great on-line community. We need it to stay that way and not be rended by stupidity like I showed.

I sure hope you will stay, Major. I value your presence here. I am sure if it came down to the members choosing who should stay and who should go at this moment, I'd be the one voted to go. Hopefully, we can both stay.

Jim Ferreira

John Sabato · 10-30-2002, 12:32 PM

Jim & Tacfoley,

The comments above have been deleted.

I had no doubt that Tacfoley would respond in a positive manner to your retraction and apology because I know what kind of man he is...

The two of you are both standup guys...

It is a shame that other ruffled feathers can't be smoothed in this manner. You guys just set the example for the whole forum.

Thanks for showing us how things are supposed to be done,

Jimbo · 10-30-2002, 08:11 PM

Hi tacfoley,

Thank you for accepting my apology. It would be an honor calling you a friend.

Jim Ferreira

G.W. Gill · 10-30-2002, 11:35 PM

Bravo!. Pints of stout for the bar and a measure of Jamison's for Tacfoly, Jimbo and John S. Good to you!

<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

John -Melb · 10-31-2002, 08:09 AM

I'm glad all that (whatever it was) is over.
Sorry to sound hard but aren't we a thin-skinned mob of lugerphiles! This discussion was about plans by the Australian Government to ban the private ownership of handguns and send proabaly a couple thousand of over beloved Lugers off to the melting pot (along with probably 200,000 other handguns, including a fair sprinkling of 96 Mausers, Colt's, Webley's and the like). Now we've all finished apologising to each other can we get back to the discussion! Honestly, if we "gun-nuts" spent as much time fighting the anti-gun lobby as we spent fighting and squabbling among ourselves, the gun control mantra would have gone the way of the Dodo years ago and we could all continue playing with our beloved trinkets in peace!
Please excuse my obviously colonial language on this post but this sort of sqabbling at a time when we are under direct threat gives me a classic case of the irits!
Regards to all.

JuergenG · 10-31-2002, 10:05 AM

John,
first of all greetings to down under!
One big step forward, thought unbelievable, has been made in Germany today: The 2 biggest gun forums will be joined on one platform now in order to form one front towards the anti's. This with support of the 3 biggest gun magazines (Visier, Caliber & Deutsches Waffenjournal).
I start seeing some light...
Juergen

John -Melb · 10-31-2002, 04:22 PM

Juergen,
That's great news, the only way to takle the anti-gun lobby and their various "mates" in government and the media is head on and flat out!

Give us some information (names of the shooting organisations, dates etc)and I try and get the information out down here on our email alerts.

Don't just fear a Government that wants your guns, hate them with a passion!

Doubs · 10-31-2002, 05:05 PM

[quote]Originally posted by JuergenG:
<strong>John,
first of all greetings to down under!
One big step forward, thought unbelievable, has been made in Germany today: The 2 biggest gun forums will be joined on one platform now in order to form one front towards the anti's. This with support of the 3 biggest gun magazines (Visier, Caliber & Deutsches Waffenjournal).
I start seeing some light...
Juergen</strong><hr></blockquote>

Juergen, that's good news indeed. The best of luck to all German gun owners. Of course, most of our "luck" is self-made and you've taken the first step toward becoming a real force on the political scene. Way to go!

Weissen · 10-31-2002, 11:04 PM

John said "the only way to takle the anti-gun lobby and their various "mates" in government and the media is head on and flat out! "

Too right brother. If there are going to be any demonstrations/marches etc like last time, make sure to "remind" your shooting mates about fronting up as well. It seems that the only thing that can sway a pollies mind on policy is for them to count the numbers.
I'll be there, you can count on it.
<img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />

JuergenG · 11-01-2002, 02:25 AM

Here is the platform:
http://www.wo-system.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php
The platform is owned by Tom Marzi of Hoeppner & Schumann which is a holster maker company http://www.hoeppner-schumann.de/
I do know Tom personally as well as some of the mods.
Registration is mandatory as otherwise only a few sections are accessible.
There is an international section in English language as well. Very quiet at the moment; probably some of you folks could get it to life.
Juergen

G.W. Gill · 11-01-2002, 02:38 AM

John- Melb.
Prepare for your grandchildren. Black powder training and store firearms with springs and stuff. I don't know how to talk to you all. It's a little out of my...

JuergenG · 11-06-2002, 09:04 AM

Very dark clouds over down under: Ban likely!
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...308312479.html
Juergen

10-29-2002, 09:27 AM	#21
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	How about just taking a digital photo of the sticker and then posting that [img]smile.gif[/img] Seems easier than either of the previously suggested solutions... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-29-2002, 09:32 PM	#22
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	JuergenG Apparently everyone else here understands perfectly what is meant by "Reddish and Vegetable Taliban". "The God who makes iron grow has no love of slaves" E.M.Arndt __________________ Mark

10-30-2002, 10:49 AM	#27
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Jimbo, I believe that we need a response from you here... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-30-2002, 12:32 PM	#30
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Jim & Tacfoley, The comments above have been deleted. I had no doubt that Tacfoley would respond in a positive manner to your retraction and apology because I know what kind of man he is... The two of you are both standup guys... It is a shame that other ruffled feathers can't be smoothed in this manner. You guys just set the example for the whole forum. Thanks for showing us how things are supposed to be done, __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-30-2002, 12:01 AM	#23
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	JuergenG, I am greatly impressed at how well Europeans speak and write English. Your writings are good. We have a apar woman staying with us from Hamburg and she speaks as well as you write. But she is a no nonsense type of woman and does not have your humor. Keep writing, good buddy. Its good to hear from our gun brothers in other parts of the world. Big Norm <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

10-30-2002, 12:13 AM	#24
Jimbo User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF CA Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Content deleted by Site Admin...JS

10-30-2002, 05:29 AM	#26
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Big Norm, I realize that I'm getting pretty sarcastic lately. That applies to both business and folks talking about restrictions/bans on firearms mostly not having any clue, ignoring FACTS which are in favour of law abiding legal gun owners. Media over here gave us a real hard time after the shooting in the Erfurt school, heavily supported by the tree hugging community. That has led to further restrictions but it didn't come to the worst. As this government has just gotten re-elected we are in expectation of more to come. In case anyone in the community feels that I'm using a too strong language let me know and I'll try to behave. Juergen

10-30-2002, 11:45 AM	#28
Jimbo User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF CA Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi tacfoley, I want to beg your forgiveness with my thoughtless remark about the British. Stupid rempark and poorly done, I intended to endear myself with the Australian posters as America and Australia were both the children of Great Britian. Instead, I alienated the English. Please don't leave the forum, tacfoley! You have made interesting contributions in the past and I hope I have not gotten on your blacklist with my stupid remark. Don't leave! My callous comment came as much from the frustration of seeing the effect of gun control on the British. The British who dominated the high seas for 100 years? The British who spawed a hundred colonies across the globe in the largest (physically) empire the world has ever seen. The same British who stood up to Hitler, completely alone, and single-handedly thwarted the complete domination of Europe? (I can hardly imagine Hitler inheriting the British Navy or America losing a staging ground for the invasion of Europe.) The British who's system of government and citizens, I gratefully note, are responsible for the very birth and ascension of America. The British people, like the Americans, have always been so independent and gutsy it is hard to watch the disarming in progress. It is hard to know that it is a precursor to what will happen here in time. It is hard to imagine the British people handing over their guns because their government says to, rather than hiding the guns as a check against tyranny. Tacfoley, I have nothing but respect for Britain and her people. England has always been America's foremost ally in cooperation and in capability. I would love to visit (if I haven't been banned from the island!) My banal remark came only from the frustration of hearing of the increasing crime rates and knowing this comes from the English governments imposing gun-control on the honest people. I put my foot in my mouth and at this point I want to apologize sincerely to someone who is certainly twice the man I will ever be and beg your forgiveness because I sure didn't mean to hurt your feelings, or to insult you or to insult any of the Britsh people of whom I am fond. I'm sorry, Major. I hope you'll say you forgive me.

10-30-2002, 12:06 PM	#29
Jimbo User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF CA Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd like to futher apologize to the moderators and members of the forum for upsetting another person and possibly causing them to leave the Forum. My words were flippant. Their effect real. I was stupid. It won't happen again. Not even in jest. This is a great on-line community. We need it to stay that way and not be rended by stupidity like I showed. I sure hope you will stay, Major. I value your presence here. I am sure if it came down to the members choosing who should stay and who should go at this moment, I'd be the one voted to go. Hopefully, we can both stay. Jim Ferreira

10-30-2002, 08:11 PM	#31
Jimbo User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF CA Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi tacfoley, Thank you for accepting my apology. It would be an honor calling you a friend. Jim Ferreira

10-30-2002, 11:35 PM	#32
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bravo!. Pints of stout for the bar and a measure of Jamison's for Tacfoly, Jimbo and John S. Good to you! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

10-31-2002, 08:09 AM	#33
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm glad all that (whatever it was) is over. Sorry to sound hard but aren't we a thin-skinned mob of lugerphiles! This discussion was about plans by the Australian Government to ban the private ownership of handguns and send proabaly a couple thousand of over beloved Lugers off to the melting pot (along with probably 200,000 other handguns, including a fair sprinkling of 96 Mausers, Colt's, Webley's and the like). Now we've all finished apologising to each other can we get back to the discussion! Honestly, if we "gun-nuts" spent as much time fighting the anti-gun lobby as we spent fighting and squabbling among ourselves, the gun control mantra would have gone the way of the Dodo years ago and we could all continue playing with our beloved trinkets in peace! Please excuse my obviously colonial language on this post but this sort of sqabbling at a time when we are under direct threat gives me a classic case of the irits! Regards to all.

10-31-2002, 10:05 AM	#34
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, first of all greetings to down under! One big step forward, thought unbelievable, has been made in Germany today: The 2 biggest gun forums will be joined on one platform now in order to form one front towards the anti's. This with support of the 3 biggest gun magazines (Visier, Caliber & Deutsches Waffenjournal). I start seeing some light... Juergen

10-31-2002, 04:22 PM	#35
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Juergen, That's great news, the only way to takle the anti-gun lobby and their various "mates" in government and the media is head on and flat out! Give us some information (names of the shooting organisations, dates etc)and I try and get the information out down here on our email alerts. Don't just fear a Government that wants your guns, hate them with a passion!

10-30-2002, 03:13 AM	#25
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10-31-2002, 05:05 PM	#36
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by JuergenG: <strong>John, first of all greetings to down under! One big step forward, thought unbelievable, has been made in Germany today: The 2 biggest gun forums will be joined on one platform now in order to form one front towards the anti's. This with support of the 3 biggest gun magazines (Visier, Caliber & Deutsches Waffenjournal). I start seeing some light... Juergen</strong><hr></blockquote> Juergen, that's good news indeed. The best of luck to all German gun owners. Of course, most of our "luck" is self-made and you've taken the first step toward becoming a real force on the political scene. Way to go!

10-31-2002, 11:04 PM	#37
Weissen User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South Australia Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John said "the only way to takle the anti-gun lobby and their various "mates" in government and the media is head on and flat out! " Too right brother. If there are going to be any demonstrations/marches etc like last time, make sure to "remind" your shooting mates about fronting up as well. It seems that the only thing that can sway a pollies mind on policy is for them to count the numbers. I'll be there, you can count on it. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />

11-01-2002, 02:25 AM	#38
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is the platform: http://www.wo-system.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php The platform is owned by Tom Marzi of Hoeppner & Schumann which is a holster maker company http://www.hoeppner-schumann.de/ I do know Tom personally as well as some of the mods. Registration is mandatory as otherwise only a few sections are accessible. There is an international section in English language as well. Very quiet at the moment; probably some of you folks could get it to life. Juergen

11-01-2002, 02:38 AM	#39
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John- Melb. Prepare for your grandchildren. Black powder training and store firearms with springs and stuff. I don't know how to talk to you all. It's a little out of my...

11-06-2002, 09:04 AM	#40
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Very dark clouds over down under: Ban likely! http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...308312479.html Juergen