'36 HK On Auction-Arms...

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2003, 09:11 PM

Not a bad looking '36 HK...with lots of good photos posted :

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=5305115

The magazine (and the parrot) are not appropriate for the gun...

(As usual...I have no connection with the sale of this gun...)

Regards

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John D. · 12-16-2003, 09:03 AM

Hey Pete..!

That is a nice one! The only imperfection I can see is the small imperfection on the high-side of the sideplate. Great photos, too! (Even of the parrot

).. It'll be interesting to see where this one tops out on the bidding....

Thanks!

John Sabato · 12-16-2003, 10:01 AM

Hey! Nice Kreighoff!

but John D. Technically that is not a parrot but a Macaw... pretty colors, but not very often a personality to match.

If you want a friendly bird, get yourself an eclectus parrot... Beautiful colors and can develop a vocabulary of over 1000 words.

Here is a photo of one like my baby "Pietro"... He'll be a year old in January... and will live to be 60 if he stays in good health...

we will have to leave him to one of the kids in our will...

Mike Fitz · 12-16-2003, 03:25 PM

Most Kreighoff Lugers I have seen seem to have Luftwaffe markings.
Does anyone know if Kreighoff was the only Luger supplier for the Luftwaffe?

Re: Parrots. There are always African Greys.
This is Ernie. 10 years old. He decided to fly over and vist one of my wifes cats who we wrapped in a towel in order to put medication in its eyes.
Great talker and mimics every sound he hears.
He knows each cat (5 of them) by name and greets them when they come into the room.

lmilage · 12-18-2003, 08:48 AM

Just my 2 cents,I believe the krieghoff is a Eagle2 variaton, of which only 150 were suppositly
produced, wrong mag.,but the outside looks right. It would be nice to know if their is a 7
stamp under 1 of the grips,and if all internal parts are marked with a eagle of 1 varation or another with a 2. A really nice Krieghoff.

Big Norm · 12-19-2003, 03:15 AM

Lots of unusual silence on this gun for this forum.

I wonder if that is because a bunch of us are debating about puting a bid on it?

Still lotsa time left and the price is already pretty high. <img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" /> This auction is going to be fun to watch. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Methinks we are going to find out who daddy big bucks is around here. Maybe a certain individual who goes by the tag of the Pink Panthers sidekick?
Big Norm

John D. · 12-19-2003, 08:19 AM

Hey Big Norm...!!!!

I think you are right - there are a few folks from the Forum who are bidding on it (not me - I'm not looking for a "36"). Anyway - I'm watching it with interest as well, just to see where the "bidding frenzy" ends.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

tracyp · 12-19-2003, 01:13 PM

I guess the ding on the sideplate doesn't seem to bother anyone. I saw another Krieg with a similar ding on the sideplate. I guess this is one way of adjusting the trigger pull.

Tracy

Navy · 12-19-2003, 06:32 PM

Dats one purty looger. I guess I could legitimately bid on dat'un 'cause it done got an anker on it, which I g'ess makes it a navy afta all. But I bet it gonna cost 6 or 5 tousan' dollas to win dat pistola...mak' a nis' presen' from dat sandy claws man to my personul 'sef. Mebbe I duz; mebbe duzzant. Gotta thin' on it.

Tom A.

John D. · 12-19-2003, 08:00 PM

Hmmm....

I really SHOULD fix that damned spelling checker.....

Heinz · 12-19-2003, 09:10 PM

The spell checker is all right, Tom A still has it set to Huntsville.

PS he will only go for the Krieghoff if it has the right serial number on the magazine to go in his 1904

Michigan Gunner · 12-20-2003, 10:21 AM

I was just looking at that Luger on Auction Arms.
Very nice but way out of my price range!

I think my next Luger will be a "shooter", to, well shoot!

Price is up to $3,410.00. If ya want to play yer going to pay!

Lock and Load!

Big Norm · 12-20-2003, 02:33 PM

That ding on the sideplate doesn't change the value of this Luger much, if at all. The rest of it looks pretty good. Heck, I have some dimples on my checks and it hasn't slowed me down. Facial checks that is.

The only thing that bothers me a little is what looks like some rust in the interior near the barrels cone. I gotta take a closer look at that. I have to also take a little look around to see what these things really go for in the rest of the world. I already have a nice '1936' with a matching mag so I have to consider if I want to try for this one. I also want to take a closer look at that chamber date area. Could just be the photography but something there just looks different. But I could be wrong. The guy didn't show the condition of the straps too well either. Lotsa pictures but only a few of the areas that I want to take a closer look at. I am trying to set a mental price on it even if I don't try for it.
Big Norm

Big Norm · 12-20-2003, 02:50 PM

Michigan Gunner,
don't worry too much about the price of a Luger. (unless its really out on outer space, like some Lugers that I have recently seen). The price of a fairly priced Luger today will be much higher tomorrow.
Its nice to see a fellow Michigander on the forum helping me take on these southern rebels here. Did you attend the last Novi show and see those really far out priced Lugers that one guy had? Two of the three that he had were nice quality guns, but really high priced.
Big Norm

Michigan Gunner · 12-20-2003, 03:14 PM

Big Norm, the last big gun show I made it to was the Midland Gun Show in West Branch last spring. I saw a couple Lugers there but nothing great, again prices were high. It didn't look like they were selling either.

I'm kind of looking at one in a local shop. It's
been there about three years, probably because of the price. He wants $650.00 for it. It's a DWM, about 70% blue, some straw, all matching including the Mag. However, there's always a however, the stock lug has been ground off.

I think the prices is a little high for this condition. Would be a good shooter.

May try to get the price down.

We'll keep an eye on the Southern Boys!

Merry Christmas ! ! ! ! ! !

Lock and Load!

John D. · 12-20-2003, 09:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Big Norm:
.....Heck, I have some dimples on my checks and it hasn't slowed me down. Facial checks that is.

The only thing that bothers me a little is what looks like some rust in the interior near the barrels cone.....<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

OK - aside from your cheeks - I think the "rust" you see in the photos on the 36 are grease..??? I took some pics of one of mine - and it looked the same...

HOWEVER - this is NOT AN INVITATION to post pics of your cheeks - which may or may not have "dimples"... LOL!!!!

Big Norm · 12-20-2003, 11:30 PM

Michigan Gunner,
check out your forum email. I might add to places not to go to is Mio, Atlanta, Lewiston and Gaylord. I have regularly checked them out. Nothing there. I ran around the UP last summer and saw lots of rifles and shotguns but no Lugers.
Big Norm

brucew · 12-24-2003, 08:17 PM

Hi all,

Question: Is that the normal order and placement of the serial, proof and bore diameter on the underside of the barrel? Is the diameter usually parallel to bore axis?

Happy holiday, Bruce

John D. · 12-28-2003, 07:09 PM

Hi Bruce...!

Yes - both the orientation of the bore marks - and the order of the proof - serial number is absolutely correct....

Except for the ding in the sideplate I mentioned in the second post in this thread, and Big Norm noted as well - it's a fine piece. In several private e-mails, my guess was that it should go for between $3600 - $3900 in the real world - and that given auction frenzy, would probably go for a bit more on an auction site. I just checked the going bid - and I should have a crystal ball <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Best to you!!!!

brucew · 12-28-2003, 08:04 PM

Hi John,

That's very interesting. I have a "36" HK that has, from the receiver, the bore diameter, the proof and then the serial number, all perpendicular to the bore axis. The diameter is readable from the front and the serial from the rear. It has been examined by a well known Luger expert and declared to be 100% correct. How could there be such a different marking orientation when only some 600 were made?

Please help me to understand this apparent conflict.

Happy New Year, Bruce

12-15-2003, 09:11 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	'36 HK On Auction-Arms... Not a bad looking '36 HK...with lots of good photos posted : http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=5305115 The magazine (and the parrot) are not appropriate for the gun... (As usual...I have no connection with the sale of this gun...) Regards Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-16-2003, 10:01 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,301 Times in 1,095 Posts	Hey! Nice Kreighoff! but John D. Technically that is not a parrot but a Macaw... pretty colors, but not very often a personality to match. If you want a friendly bird, get yourself an eclectus parrot... Beautiful colors and can develop a vocabulary of over 1000 words. Here is a photo of one like my baby "Pietro"... He'll be a year old in January... and will live to be 60 if he stays in good health... we will have to leave him to one of the kids in our will... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-20-2003, 09:13 PM	#16
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,647 Thanks: 439 Thanked 503 Times in 126 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Big Norm: <strong>.....Heck, I have some dimples on my checks and it hasn't slowed me down. Facial checks that is. The only thing that bothers me a little is what looks like some rust in the interior near the barrels cone.....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> OK - aside from your cheeks - I think the "rust" you see in the photos on the 36 are grease..??? I took some pics of one of mine - and it looked the same... HOWEVER - this is NOT AN INVITATION to post pics of your cheeks - which may or may not have "dimples"... LOL!!!! <img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

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12-16-2003, 09:03 AM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,647 Thanks: 439 Thanked 503 Times in 126 Posts	Hey Pete..! That is a nice one! The only imperfection I can see is the small imperfection on the high-side of the sideplate. Great photos, too! (Even of the parrot ).. It'll be interesting to see where this one tops out on the bidding.... Thanks!

12-16-2003, 03:25 PM	#4
Mike Fitz User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leonia, NJ Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Most Kreighoff Lugers I have seen seem to have Luftwaffe markings. Does anyone know if Kreighoff was the only Luger supplier for the Luftwaffe? Re: Parrots. There are always African Greys. This is Ernie. 10 years old. He decided to fly over and vist one of my wifes cats who we wrapped in a towel in order to put medication in its eyes. Great talker and mimics every sound he hears. He knows each cat (5 of them) by name and greets them when they come into the room.

12-18-2003, 08:48 AM	#5
lmilage New User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just my 2 cents,I believe the krieghoff is a Eagle2 variaton, of which only 150 were suppositly produced, wrong mag.,but the outside looks right. It would be nice to know if their is a 7 stamp under 1 of the grips,and if all internal parts are marked with a eagle of 1 varation or another with a 2. A really nice Krieghoff.

12-19-2003, 03:15 AM	#6
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Lots of unusual silence on this gun for this forum. I wonder if that is because a bunch of us are debating about puting a bid on it? Still lotsa time left and the price is already pretty high. <img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" /> This auction is going to be fun to watch. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Methinks we are going to find out who daddy big bucks is around here. Maybe a certain individual who goes by the tag of the Pink Panthers sidekick? Big Norm

12-19-2003, 08:19 AM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,647 Thanks: 439 Thanked 503 Times in 126 Posts	Hey Big Norm...!!!! I think you are right - there are a few folks from the Forum who are bidding on it (not me - I'm not looking for a "36"). Anyway - I'm watching it with interest as well, just to see where the "bidding frenzy" ends.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

12-19-2003, 01:13 PM	#8
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I guess the ding on the sideplate doesn't seem to bother anyone. I saw another Krieg with a similar ding on the sideplate. I guess this is one way of adjusting the trigger pull. Tracy

12-19-2003, 06:32 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 10 Posts	Dats one purty looger. I guess I could legitimately bid on dat'un 'cause it done got an anker on it, which I g'ess makes it a navy afta all. But I bet it gonna cost 6 or 5 tousan' dollas to win dat pistola...mak' a nis' presen' from dat sandy claws man to my personul 'sef. Mebbe I duz; mebbe duzzant. Gotta thin' on it. Tom A.

12-19-2003, 08:00 PM	#10
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,647 Thanks: 439 Thanked 503 Times in 126 Posts	Hmmm.... I really SHOULD fix that damned spelling checker.....

12-19-2003, 09:10 PM	#11
Heinz Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 376 Thanked 406 Times in 180 Posts	The spell checker is all right, Tom A still has it set to Huntsville. PS he will only go for the Krieghoff if it has the right serial number on the magazine to go in his 1904

12-20-2003, 10:21 AM	#12
Michigan Gunner User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan, on the border Posts: 75 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	I was just looking at that Luger on Auction Arms. Very nice but way out of my price range! I think my next Luger will be a "shooter", to, well shoot! Price is up to $3,410.00. If ya want to play yer going to pay! Lock and Load!

12-20-2003, 02:33 PM	#13
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	That ding on the sideplate doesn't change the value of this Luger much, if at all. The rest of it looks pretty good. Heck, I have some dimples on my checks and it hasn't slowed me down. Facial checks that is. The only thing that bothers me a little is what looks like some rust in the interior near the barrels cone. I gotta take a closer look at that. I have to also take a little look around to see what these things really go for in the rest of the world. I already have a nice '1936' with a matching mag so I have to consider if I want to try for this one. I also want to take a closer look at that chamber date area. Could just be the photography but something there just looks different. But I could be wrong. The guy didn't show the condition of the straps too well either. Lotsa pictures but only a few of the areas that I want to take a closer look at. I am trying to set a mental price on it even if I don't try for it. Big Norm

12-20-2003, 02:50 PM	#14
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Michigan Gunner, don't worry too much about the price of a Luger. (unless its really out on outer space, like some Lugers that I have recently seen). The price of a fairly priced Luger today will be much higher tomorrow. Its nice to see a fellow Michigander on the forum helping me take on these southern rebels here. Did you attend the last Novi show and see those really far out priced Lugers that one guy had? Two of the three that he had were nice quality guns, but really high priced. Big Norm

12-20-2003, 03:14 PM	#15
Michigan Gunner User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan, on the border Posts: 75 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Big Norm, the last big gun show I made it to was the Midland Gun Show in West Branch last spring. I saw a couple Lugers there but nothing great, again prices were high. It didn't look like they were selling either. I'm kind of looking at one in a local shop. It's been there about three years, probably because of the price. He wants $650.00 for it. It's a DWM, about 70% blue, some straw, all matching including the Mag. However, there's always a however, the stock lug has been ground off. I think the prices is a little high for this condition. Would be a good shooter. May try to get the price down. We'll keep an eye on the Southern Boys! Merry Christmas ! ! ! ! ! ! Lock and Load!

12-20-2003, 11:30 PM	#17
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Michigan Gunner, check out your forum email. I might add to places not to go to is Mio, Atlanta, Lewiston and Gaylord. I have regularly checked them out. Nothing there. I ran around the UP last summer and saw lots of rifles and shotguns but no Lugers. Big Norm

12-24-2003, 08:17 PM	#18
brucew User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Port Townsend, WA Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi all, Question: Is that the normal order and placement of the serial, proof and bore diameter on the underside of the barrel? Is the diameter usually parallel to bore axis? Happy holiday, Bruce

12-28-2003, 07:09 PM	#19
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,647 Thanks: 439 Thanked 503 Times in 126 Posts	Hi Bruce...! Yes - both the orientation of the bore marks - and the order of the proof - serial number is absolutely correct.... Except for the ding in the sideplate I mentioned in the second post in this thread, and Big Norm noted as well - it's a fine piece. In several private e-mails, my guess was that it should go for between $3600 - $3900 in the real world - and that given auction frenzy, would probably go for a bit more on an auction site. I just checked the going bid - and I should have a crystal ball <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Best to you!!!!

12-28-2003, 08:04 PM	#20
brucew User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Port Townsend, WA Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi John, That's very interesting. I have a "36" HK that has, from the receiver, the bore diameter, the proof and then the serial number, all perpendicular to the bore axis. The diameter is readable from the front and the serial from the rear. It has been examined by a well known Luger expert and declared to be 100% correct. How could there be such a different marking orientation when only some 600 were made? Please help me to understand this apparent conflict. Happy New Year, Bruce