New Luger info

jaguar88xj6 · 09-16-2012, 11:52 AM

The Luger is almost perfect . Blueing is about 90% or better. No rust or pitting anywhere. lands and grooves are like new. Grips are perfect, no worn spots. All matching numbers except the magazine. Serial no. 311 on all major parts and 11 on all other small parts. Top of the slide has a scripted DWM. Under side of barral has a crown N, 311 and a scripted small a. Left side , above the take down lever is also a crown N. Rear of the grip has the stock lug. It is a 30 luger (7.65x21). A commercial model I think. No date stamped on top. 4" barral. Any info reguarding date of manufacture or history appreciated. Thanks.
Will try to get pics.

SteveM · 09-16-2012, 12:20 PM

Sounds like a 1920 Commercial(Alphabet DWM). Pics would be nice.

jaguar88xj6 · 09-16-2012, 03:27 PM

pics added

mrerick · 09-16-2012, 03:35 PM

Hi James, and welcome to the forum.

You have a very nice DWM Alphabet Commercial Luger made in the 1924 timeframe. The magazine is not period to the pistol. Your serial number is "311o" where the "o" is part of, the serial number and a suffix to the numeric digits. Should be a 3 7/8 inch long barrel.

It looks to be in original finish. Is it marked "Germany" or "Made in Germany" anywhere?
You would expect that if it was shipped by DWM to the USA.

These are generally valued less and considered less valuable than military Lugers. One in very nice condition like this would be worth more than most. They start out at about $600 and work up to $1000 or so.

Marc

jaguar88xj6 · 09-16-2012, 04:08 PM

Thanks. The "o " you refer to on mine looks more like a scrolled a. It has little tales on the top and bottem. It is 3 7/8 '' barrel.

jaguar88xj6 · 09-16-2012, 07:06 PM

Also. No Germany marked anywhere.

Edward Tinker · 09-16-2012, 07:47 PM

its an 'o'

jaguar88xj6 · 09-16-2012, 08:22 PM

Thanks, o it is.

mrerick · 09-16-2012, 08:33 PM

The lack of an export/import mark is interesting. I believe that "Germany" or "Made in Germany" was required on all of these pistols when they were brought into the USA in the 1920s.

This one may not have originally been exported into the USA. Do you know any of the history of this pistol?

Marc

Edward Tinker · 09-16-2012, 08:50 PM

yes, if for sale to the USA - I have been told that Canada ones were brought through the USA, and thus export stamped, but I would assume that not all were; besides, mexico and other south american countries, sales in Germany and other countries would not require a USA export marking of Germany

Before the 1960's, folks could carry almost anything onto a plane or ship and travel anywhere, with anything

jaguar88xj6 · 09-17-2012, 08:59 AM

I don't have any history on it. The original owner was in his 80's when he died. Had it for yrs. Possibly brought it home from WW2, but not sure.

padredan · 09-17-2012, 11:41 AM

congrats you have a nice one, and welcome to the forum

jaguar88xj6 · 09-17-2012, 03:12 PM

Thanks.

jaguar88xj6 · 10-08-2012, 02:43 PM

Finally got out to shoot it yesterday. Put 50 rds through it. Not one problem. I guess it's a keeper.

alanint · 10-08-2012, 03:50 PM

Sad about the right grip. It appears that someone sanded this down for added comfort or a better grip. I would personally have Hugh, one of the members on this site, rechecker this grip if it were mine

rhuff · 10-08-2012, 05:27 PM

Glad to hear that you Luger runs 100%.....not all do that. It is a nice looking piece, and I feel sure that you will enjoy it.

jaguar88xj6 · 10-08-2012, 05:36 PM

Just noticed that on the picture myself. Must be a lighting reflection or someting. I just checked the grips and they are both perfect. You had me concerned. Thanks.

09-16-2012, 11:52 AM	#1
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	New Luger info The Luger is almost perfect . Blueing is about 90% or better. No rust or pitting anywhere. lands and grooves are like new. Grips are perfect, no worn spots. All matching numbers except the magazine. Serial no. 311 on all major parts and 11 on all other small parts. Top of the slide has a scripted DWM. Under side of barral has a crown N, 311 and a scripted small a. Left side , above the take down lever is also a crown N. Rear of the grip has the stock lug. It is a 30 luger (7.65x21). A commercial model I think. No date stamped on top. 4" barral. Any info reguarding date of manufacture or history appreciated. Thanks. Will try to get pics.

09-16-2012, 03:27 PM	#3
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	pics added Attached Thumbnails

09-16-2012, 03:35 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Hi James, and welcome to the forum. You have a very nice DWM Alphabet Commercial Luger made in the 1924 timeframe. The magazine is not period to the pistol. Your serial number is "311o" where the "o" is part of, the serial number and a suffix to the numeric digits. Should be a 3 7/8 inch long barrel. It looks to be in original finish. Is it marked "Germany" or "Made in Germany" anywhere? You would expect that if it was shipped by DWM to the USA. These are generally valued less and considered less valuable than military Lugers. One in very nice condition like this would be worth more than most. They start out at about $600 and work up to $1000 or so. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-16-2012, 07:47 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	its an 'o' __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-16-2012, 08:33 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	The lack of an export/import mark is interesting. I believe that "Germany" or "Made in Germany" was required on all of these pistols when they were brought into the USA in the 1920s. This one may not have originally been exported into the USA. Do you know any of the history of this pistol? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-16-2012, 12:20 PM	#2
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Sounds like a 1920 Commercial(Alphabet DWM). Pics would be nice.

09-16-2012, 04:08 PM	#5
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks. The "o " you refer to on mine looks more like a scrolled a. It has little tales on the top and bottem. It is 3 7/8 '' barrel.

09-16-2012, 07:06 PM	#6
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Also. No Germany marked anywhere.

09-16-2012, 08:22 PM	#8
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks, o it is.

09-16-2012, 08:50 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	yes, if for sale to the USA - I have been told that Canada ones were brought through the USA, and thus export stamped, but I would assume that not all were; besides, mexico and other south american countries, sales in Germany and other countries would not require a USA export marking of Germany Before the 1960's, folks could carry almost anything onto a plane or ship and travel anywhere, with anything

09-17-2012, 08:59 AM	#11
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I don't have any history on it. The original owner was in his 80's when he died. Had it for yrs. Possibly brought it home from WW2, but not sure.

09-17-2012, 11:41 AM	#12
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	congrats you have a nice one, and welcome to the forum __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

09-17-2012, 03:12 PM	#13
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks.

10-08-2012, 02:43 PM	#14
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Finally got out to shoot it yesterday. Put 50 rds through it. Not one problem. I guess it's a keeper.

10-08-2012, 03:50 PM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Sad about the right grip. It appears that someone sanded this down for added comfort or a better grip. I would personally have Hugh, one of the members on this site, rechecker this grip if it were mine

10-08-2012, 05:27 PM	#16
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,272 Thanks: 2,692 Thanked 959 Times in 705 Posts	Glad to hear that you Luger runs 100%.....not all do that. It is a nice looking piece, and I feel sure that you will enjoy it.

10-08-2012, 05:36 PM	#17
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Just noticed that on the picture myself. Must be a lighting reflection or someting. I just checked the grips and they are both perfect. You had me concerned. Thanks.