Commercial Proof?

kidvett · 06-08-2003, 11:49 PM

Hello,

I was cleaning a 1920 Commercial Export ( regular, very common piece...) but a Crown N proof caught my attention. It is located on the left side of the toggle ( see PIC ). I have seen a few 20's but this Proof location is a mystery to me! Can somebody shed some light on this??

Thanks

Kidvett

Tom Porter · 06-10-2003, 01:11 PM

If you find out what this is, let me know. I have one just like it.
Tom
tomporter@usa.net

ken d · 06-11-2003, 05:06 PM

Kidvett/Tom:

Have noticed from limited experience that vertical C/N appears on the breech block of "1920" models. Horizontal C/N appears on center toggle link of "1923" models. Just an observation.

Regards

Ken D

Lugerdoc · 06-12-2003, 08:51 AM

I agree with Ken's comments above, but we all now know from "Weimar Lugers" that the so called "1923" commericals were made before the "1920" commericals. I suspect that your pistol has a 5 digit all numeric serial number. TH

ken d · 06-12-2003, 08:03 PM

Lugerdoc is correct, I quoted the older terminology used prior to "Weimar" Lugers.

Regards

Ken D

kidvett · 06-13-2003, 09:18 AM

Hello Tom,

The pistol has a 4 digit suffix serial number.

kidvett

Herb · 06-13-2003, 02:57 PM

According to Coatanzo this is a 1950 East German proof mark house for the city of Suh. It is used to designate firearms using nitro power in accordance with the 1950 proofmark law. Locations noted: left and right side of barrel, left frame rail, left and right breech block, right side middle toggle link, barrel top and breech block top. See Costanzo, World of Lugers Proof Marks, 1977, page 164, mark#26.

Jim Keenan · 06-13-2003, 10:06 PM

Wirnsberger also indicates the C/N in that format as a Suhl nitro proof after 1950.

Jim

06-08-2003, 11:49 PM	#1
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Commercial Proof? Hello, I was cleaning a 1920 Commercial Export ( regular, very common piece...) but a Crown N proof caught my attention. It is located on the left side of the toggle ( see PIC ). I have seen a few 20's but this Proof location is a mystery to me! Can somebody shed some light on this?? Thanks Kidvett

06-12-2003, 08:51 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I agree with Ken's comments above, but we all now know from "Weimar Lugers" that the so called "1923" commericals were made before the "1920" commericals. I suspect that your pistol has a 5 digit all numeric serial number. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-13-2003, 02:57 PM	#7
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	According to Coatanzo this is a 1950 East German proof mark house for the city of Suh. It is used to designate firearms using nitro power in accordance with the 1950 proofmark law. Locations noted: left and right side of barrel, left frame rail, left and right breech block, right side middle toggle link, barrel top and breech block top. See Costanzo, World of Lugers Proof Marks, 1977, page 164, mark#26. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-10-2003, 01:11 PM	#2
Tom Porter User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Ga. Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you find out what this is, let me know. I have one just like it. Tom tomporter@usa.net

06-11-2003, 05:06 PM	#3
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Kidvett/Tom: Have noticed from limited experience that vertical C/N appears on the breech block of "1920" models. Horizontal C/N appears on center toggle link of "1923" models. Just an observation. Regards Ken D

06-12-2003, 08:03 PM	#5
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Lugerdoc is correct, I quoted the older terminology used prior to "Weimar" Lugers. Regards Ken D

06-13-2003, 09:18 AM	#6
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello Tom, The pistol has a 4 digit suffix serial number. kidvett

06-13-2003, 10:06 PM	#8
Jim Keenan User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Wirnsberger also indicates the C/N in that format as a Suhl nitro proof after 1950. Jim