new guy to the forum

Craig651 · 04-07-2013, 11:03 PM

Hello Gents,

Just wanted to introduce myself because Im the new guy here. I will be purchasing a Luger sometime this week.

Im obviously a novice to the Luger World, so I didn't know what I should be looking for on my first Luger? I enjoy going to the range, so should my first Luger be a collector or a shooter?

Anyone else on here in Kansas City?

DavidJayUden · 04-07-2013, 11:38 PM

Welcome aboard.
I'm in Omaha but not certain if we have anyone from KC.
I noticed that you said you will be buying this week. Have something in mind? If not, take a few weeks or months to learn what is out there and also to decide what era/ model of Luger will get the motor running. There is a lot to learn.
dju

Edward Tinker · 04-07-2013, 11:40 PM

I agree with David, unless you are getting a great deal, wait until you know more.

If your plan is to shoot, then damaging a collector piece would be a shame (everytime you shoot, you can damage a gun), so if wanting a shooter, I would buy a low end collector

Ed

Craig651 · 04-08-2013, 12:02 AM

I appreciate the info guys. Well I just may just wait then.

Is there any era in particular thats better than others?

I plan to own more than one Luger for sure. Ive always wanted at Nazi proof marked Luger. I've been putting out feelers on trying to find a Luger and not much luck, I just see a ton of them on gunbroker.

Curly1 · 04-08-2013, 12:38 AM

Welcome to the forum Craig.

lfid · 04-08-2013, 05:34 AM

Hi luminox64,

tons of info here on the forum - try the search with "byf" "s/42" "Mauser" and also see many samples at Simpson LTD http://www.simpsonltd.com/

also dont forget to look at the Interarms 1970s Lugers - esp if you like shiny blue steel

I like Ed's suggestion to try to find a low end collector - perhaps excellent mechanically but with more blue wear than most collectors like, and seems like non-original grips decrease value a lot as does the dreaded import mark etc

mixed serials also drive down the value a LOT - but look for all matching upper on a mismatching lower frame asy - the all match within the upper asy is good idea since that is area of chamber headspace concerns

Im in Wichita now and actually thinking of thinning the herd a bit - but take some time to study and see how that turns out.

Good luck in the quest !!!

thanks
Bill

Craig651 · 05-01-2013, 01:15 AM

I found this Luger locally, and the gentlemen's bottom dollar is $1350... what are your thoughts on this? It supposedly all matches except the magazine.

I also know the guy is a collector (obvious from the pics) trying to squeeze every penny out. My offer was $1200 and he wouldn't drop any further than $1,350.

Also sorry for the huge pics, tinypics didn't shrink them.

SteveM · 05-01-2013, 06:38 AM

If you are looking for a shooter you can probably do better than this. There are a couple down below in the trader area.

mrerick · 05-01-2013, 09:00 AM

I'm afraid it's probably worth just over half of what he is asking.

The grips are not original to the pistol. The checkering should leave pointed areas, not flats. Is it really in 9mm?

Marc

Craig651 · 05-01-2013, 09:38 AM

He claims its original other than the magazine. Also said it is 9mm, unless there is a way to mill out the chamber from the 7.65 to a 9mm?

DavidJayUden · 05-01-2013, 10:58 AM

His note says "mostly matching". Other than a mismatched magazine, that is like being "a little bit pregnant".
No easy mod. from .30 to 9mm. Rebarrel is the usual solution because it's not just a chamber issue but also a bore issue. Not sure if places like the Broomcloset would resleeve it to 9mm.
Looks like a numbering issue on the left side receiver, but I can't make it out clearly.
Yes, sadly this one is about 100% over priced.
dju

Craig651 · 05-01-2013, 11:11 AM

Well that makes sense. Well that's why Im glad I was able to run it by a group of pros who know exactly what they're looking at.

Edward Tinker · 05-01-2013, 11:58 AM

Its not rare, but guys notice it has a sear safety, so his comment about police was right. Very few 7.65mm police out there, so it likely is 9mm. However, sear safety is missing, and instead of a cut out for the sideplate, I see a hole?

Again, many older collectors think of the 1920's as parts guns or reworks.

Not period grips, big deal.....

Mismatched bolt, sure, but what is mismatched and what isn't?

Ask, is it 9mm? Are you sure?

But his pricing is too high if more than grips and mag is mismatched, way too high....

rhuff · 05-01-2013, 04:43 PM

I agree with all of the above remarks. I think that this luger is way overpriced for what I see, and his comment of "mostly matching numbers". You can do way better than that for that amount of money.

Ben M. · 05-01-2013, 09:21 PM

is it usual to see a suffix letter on the side of the receiver with the sn's ? i ask as i do not know.

04-07-2013, 11:03 PM	#1
Craig651 User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	new guy to the forum Hello Gents, Just wanted to introduce myself because Im the new guy here. I will be purchasing a Luger sometime this week. Im obviously a novice to the Luger World, so I didn't know what I should be looking for on my first Luger? I enjoy going to the range, so should my first Luger be a collector or a shooter? Anyone else on here in Kansas City?

04-07-2013, 11:40 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I agree with David, unless you are getting a great deal, wait until you know more. If your plan is to shoot, then damaging a collector piece would be a shame (everytime you shoot, you can damage a gun), so if wanting a shooter, I would buy a low end collector Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-08-2013, 12:38 AM	#5
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,229 Thanks: 113 Thanked 702 Times in 364 Posts	Welcome to the forum Craig. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

05-01-2013, 09:00 AM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I'm afraid it's probably worth just over half of what he is asking. The grips are not original to the pistol. The checkering should leave pointed areas, not flats. Is it really in 9mm? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-01-2013, 11:58 AM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Its not rare, but guys notice it has a sear safety, so his comment about police was right. Very few 7.65mm police out there, so it likely is 9mm. However, sear safety is missing, and instead of a cut out for the sideplate, I see a hole? Again, many older collectors think of the 1920's as parts guns or reworks. Not period grips, big deal..... Mismatched bolt, sure, but what is mismatched and what isn't? Ask, is it 9mm? Are you sure? But his pricing is too high if more than grips and mag is mismatched, way too high.... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-07-2013, 11:38 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Welcome aboard. I'm in Omaha but not certain if we have anyone from KC. I noticed that you said you will be buying this week. Have something in mind? If not, take a few weeks or months to learn what is out there and also to decide what era/ model of Luger will get the motor running. There is a lot to learn. dju

04-08-2013, 12:02 AM	#4
Craig651 User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I appreciate the info guys. Well I just may just wait then. Is there any era in particular thats better than others? I plan to own more than one Luger for sure. Ive always wanted at Nazi proof marked Luger. I've been putting out feelers on trying to find a Luger and not much luck, I just see a ton of them on gunbroker.

04-08-2013, 05:34 AM	#6
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	Hi luminox64, tons of info here on the forum - try the search with "byf" "s/42" "Mauser" and also see many samples at Simpson LTD http://www.simpsonltd.com/ also dont forget to look at the Interarms 1970s Lugers - esp if you like shiny blue steel I like Ed's suggestion to try to find a low end collector - perhaps excellent mechanically but with more blue wear than most collectors like, and seems like non-original grips decrease value a lot as does the dreaded import mark etc mixed serials also drive down the value a LOT - but look for all matching upper on a mismatching lower frame asy - the all match within the upper asy is good idea since that is area of chamber headspace concerns Im in Wichita now and actually thinking of thinning the herd a bit - but take some time to study and see how that turns out. Good luck in the quest !!! thanks Bill

05-01-2013, 01:15 AM	#7
Craig651 User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I found this Luger locally, and the gentlemen's bottom dollar is $1350... what are your thoughts on this? It supposedly all matches except the magazine. I also know the guy is a collector (obvious from the pics) trying to squeeze every penny out. My offer was $1200 and he wouldn't drop any further than $1,350. Also sorry for the huge pics, tinypics didn't shrink them.

05-01-2013, 06:38 AM	#8
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	If you are looking for a shooter you can probably do better than this. There are a couple down below in the trader area.

05-01-2013, 09:38 AM	#10
Craig651 User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	He claims its original other than the magazine. Also said it is 9mm, unless there is a way to mill out the chamber from the 7.65 to a 9mm?

05-01-2013, 10:58 AM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	His note says "mostly matching". Other than a mismatched magazine, that is like being "a little bit pregnant". No easy mod. from .30 to 9mm. Rebarrel is the usual solution because it's not just a chamber issue but also a bore issue. Not sure if places like the Broomcloset would resleeve it to 9mm. Looks like a numbering issue on the left side receiver, but I can't make it out clearly. Yes, sadly this one is about 100% over priced. dju

05-01-2013, 11:11 AM	#12
Craig651 User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Well that makes sense. Well that's why Im glad I was able to run it by a group of pros who know exactly what they're looking at.

05-01-2013, 04:43 PM	#14
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,272 Thanks: 2,690 Thanked 959 Times in 705 Posts	I agree with all of the above remarks. I think that this luger is way overpriced for what I see, and his comment of "mostly matching numbers". You can do way better than that for that amount of money.

05-01-2013, 09:21 PM	#15
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 476 Thanks: 83 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	is it usual to see a suffix letter on the side of the receiver with the sn's ? i ask as i do not know.