H. Jones' Book - 1917 Erfurt Artillery ? - Page 2

Pete Ebbink · 10-10-2002, 12:10 PM

Hello Walker,

Thanks for setting me straight...can you give me a book and page reference for this info.; so I can highlight it in my book for furture reference ?

Hello Tom,

I think what you suggest makes sense...But I still do not understand why Erfurt continued to mill the front sight notch, especially if they lost the right to make LP-08's. It does not seem to make manufacturing-sense, in my opinion...

Could if be possible that Erfurt might have had a receiver-parts sub-contract with DWM; so if DWM needed more receivers, Erfurt could just pull them out of their own inventory with only a moment's notice ? (And yes; this is just sheer speculation on my part...)

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Ron Wood · 10-10-2002, 12:50 PM

Pete,
With respect to Erfurt continuing to machine the sight notch you are perfectly correct in thinking "It does not seem to make manufacturing-sense, in my opinion..." It doesn't have to make sense if it is a government arsenal and there is a directive, Nov. 1916, that says all receivers will be machined for the sight notch. That is certainly not the most notable example in history of mindless obedience to bureaucracy. Imagine you are civil servant Hans, responsible for milling the sight notch, and a government inspector walks up with the directive in his hand....all of a sudden it makes perfect sense. DWM on the other hand owned the patent rights to the Luger and being one of the most powerful industrial entities of the time could well afford to thumb their nose at silly govenment directives.

Doubs · 10-10-2002, 11:17 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Wm. Pete Ebbink:
<strong>Hello Walker, ...can you give me a book and page reference for this info.; so I can highlight it in my book for furture reference ?
Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hi Pete, I'm finally finished babysitting for the night! (Wouldn't trade the time with my granddaughter for anything.)

Look near the bottom of page 61 in "Imperial Lugers". Under the section for 1916 Erfurt production, Jan gives a pretty detailed account of the directive to cut the notch in the receivers. Hope this helps.

10-10-2002, 12:50 PM	#22
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Pete, With respect to Erfurt continuing to machine the sight notch you are perfectly correct in thinking "It does not seem to make manufacturing-sense, in my opinion..." It doesn't have to make sense if it is a government arsenal and there is a directive, Nov. 1916, that says all receivers will be machined for the sight notch. That is certainly not the most notable example in history of mindless obedience to bureaucracy. Imagine you are civil servant Hans, responsible for milling the sight notch, and a government inspector walks up with the directive in his hand....all of a sudden it makes perfect sense. DWM on the other hand owned the patent rights to the Luger and being one of the most powerful industrial entities of the time could well afford to thumb their nose at silly govenment directives. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-10-2002, 12:10 PM	#21
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Walker, Thanks for setting me straight...can you give me a book and page reference for this info.; so I can highlight it in my book for furture reference ? Hello Tom, I think what you suggest makes sense...But I still do not understand why Erfurt continued to mill the front sight notch, especially if they lost the right to make LP-08's. It does not seem to make manufacturing-sense, in my opinion... Could if be possible that Erfurt might have had a receiver-parts sub-contract with DWM; so if DWM needed more receivers, Erfurt could just pull them out of their own inventory with only a moment's notice ? (And yes; this is just sheer speculation on my part...) Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

10-10-2002, 11:17 PM	#23
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Wm. Pete Ebbink: <strong>Hello Walker, ...can you give me a book and page reference for this info.; so I can highlight it in my book for furture reference ? Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote> Hi Pete, I'm finally finished babysitting for the night! (Wouldn't trade the time with my granddaughter for anything.) Look near the bottom of page 61 in "Imperial Lugers". Under the section for 1916 Erfurt production, Jan gives a pretty detailed account of the directive to cut the notch in the receivers. Hope this helps.