Correct Sight Picture

Mauser720 · 08-12-2007, 07:57 AM

I am interested in trying out my artillery Luger at a short range, and graudually working up to 600 yards just to see what it will do. I have the correct shoulder stock with it and intend to use a bench rest table for steadiness. At this point I have not shot it even once, and I am wondering about the correct sight picture. Here are my questions:

(1) Is it correct to use the standard "6-O'Clock" hold at 100 yards? (100 meters is where the first line of adjustment is indicated on the rear sight.) With such a "6-O'Clock" the bullet should impact the center of the bulls-eye target.

(2) I have read that the sights must be "7-degrees" to the left in order for the point of impact to be correct at the longer ranges. I have read this has something to do with the physics of the spin imparted to the bullet and becomes noticeable at these longer ranges. This Luger has not been fired much, and the "fine tune" adjustable windage front sight is already slightly adjusted to the left. (I have ordered a fine tune sight adjustment tool from England) The rear sight also has this fine tune adjustment capability; however, it is only for elevation. I know I have to start out at a shorter distance. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with such artillery sights at these longer ranges?

Thank you for any help or advice.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 08-12-2007, 08:28 AM

Ron, just so you area aware, you are choosing "poll" each time you post. A poll is where you ask folks questions or their opinions.

Ed

Mauser720 · 08-12-2007, 09:12 AM

Oops. Sorry. Thank you. I'll not do that again. Ron

Edward Tinker · 08-12-2007, 09:33 AM

unless you want to post a poll, which is always fun to see how many folks read, but don't always post into the poll...

Vlim · 08-12-2007, 09:46 AM

Ron,

I'm limited by the size of our firing range, 50 meters (and my eyesight). When shooting unsupported, standing or laying down, the point of aim for me is the bullseye center.

Personally I'm from the school that states point of aim should be point of impact.

Luke · 08-12-2007, 04:44 PM

Gerben: " . . . point of aim should be point of impact."

Agree with Gerben. Anything else just leads to confusion.

Luke

Ron Wood · 08-12-2007, 05:06 PM

The six-o'clock hold is for extreme precision shooting. When the sight stands out in contrast to the background of the target you can see precisely the position of the sight with respect to the point of aim. If you place the sight on the black of the bullseye, the contrast is lost and it is more difficult to achieve this precision. I am no longer capable of that kind of shooting so I just point it at what I want to hit and hope for the best!

ToggleTop · 08-12-2007, 06:44 PM

Hello Ron,

In regards to question one I believe the 6 O'Clock hold is correct for 100 meters.

In regards to question two I belive the rear sight on the artillery pistol compenstes for the deviation caused by the bullet spin, so the 6 O'Clock hold continues to be good at any range. The rear sight moves to correct the deviation in bullet spin. Just set the sight for the range, put the sight on the target and fire away. You will be surprised at the accuracy. Hope this helps.

Good Luck,

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08-12-2007, 07:57 AM	#1
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Correct Sight Picture I am interested in trying out my artillery Luger at a short range, and graudually working up to 600 yards just to see what it will do. I have the correct shoulder stock with it and intend to use a bench rest table for steadiness. At this point I have not shot it even once, and I am wondering about the correct sight picture. Here are my questions: (1) Is it correct to use the standard "6-O'Clock" hold at 100 yards? (100 meters is where the first line of adjustment is indicated on the rear sight.) With such a "6-O'Clock" the bullet should impact the center of the bulls-eye target. (2) I have read that the sights must be "7-degrees" to the left in order for the point of impact to be correct at the longer ranges. I have read this has something to do with the physics of the spin imparted to the bullet and becomes noticeable at these longer ranges. This Luger has not been fired much, and the "fine tune" adjustable windage front sight is already slightly adjusted to the left. (I have ordered a fine tune sight adjustment tool from England) The rear sight also has this fine tune adjustment capability; however, it is only for elevation. I know I have to start out at a shorter distance. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with such artillery sights at these longer ranges? Thank you for any help or advice. Ron

08-12-2007, 08:28 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Ron, just so you area aware, you are choosing "poll" each time you post. A poll is where you ask folks questions or their opinions. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-12-2007, 09:33 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	unless you want to post a poll, which is always fun to see how many folks read, but don't always post into the poll... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-12-2007, 04:44 PM	#6
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Gerben: " . . . point of aim should be point of impact." Agree with Gerben. Anything else just leads to confusion. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

08-12-2007, 09:12 AM	#3
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Oops. Sorry. Thank you. I'll not do that again. Ron

08-12-2007, 09:46 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Ron, I'm limited by the size of our firing range, 50 meters (and my eyesight). When shooting unsupported, standing or laying down, the point of aim for me is the bullseye center. Personally I'm from the school that states point of aim should be point of impact.

08-12-2007, 05:06 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	The six-o'clock hold is for extreme precision shooting. When the sight stands out in contrast to the background of the target you can see precisely the position of the sight with respect to the point of aim. If you place the sight on the black of the bullseye, the contrast is lost and it is more difficult to achieve this precision. I am no longer capable of that kind of shooting so I just point it at what I want to hit and hope for the best! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-12-2007, 06:44 PM	#8
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Ron, In regards to question one I believe the 6 O'Clock hold is correct for 100 meters. In regards to question two I belive the rear sight on the artillery pistol compenstes for the deviation caused by the bullet spin, so the 6 O'Clock hold continues to be good at any range. The rear sight moves to correct the deviation in bullet spin. Just set the sight for the range, put the sight on the target and fire away. You will be surprised at the accuracy. Hope this helps. Good Luck, __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************