BYF PROOFS

kidvett · 06-10-2002, 10:55 PM

A BYF 41 with E/655 proofs on the right side of receiver? I'm used to see them with E/135 proofs. Anybody can shed some light on this? [img]confused.gif[/img]

Lonnie Zimmerman · 06-10-2002, 11:03 PM

Kidvett; only very late BYF 41 Lugers had the E/135 proof and it is worth a slight premium over the E/655 proof. There are a few with one of each!
Lonnie

Thor · 06-10-2002, 11:03 PM

Early one had 655, later ones an byf 42 have 135 inspector acceptance markings

Frank · 06-11-2002, 10:07 AM

Most byf 41's have the both E/655 acceptance marks. A few (I don't have a feel for how many, maybe several thousand, but that's a real guess) have a mixed set of E/655 and E/135 WaA's and about 4000 have the E/135 WaA set. I believe all byf 42's are E/135.

kidvett · 06-11-2002, 11:34 AM

So if I get it correctly:

BYF 41's E/655 proofs, late ones E/135 & some mixed of E/655 & E/135

BYF 42's E/135

All the 42's I've seen have the E/135 proof. I've seen some 41's with the E/135 proof but that E/655 41 was something new to me [img]confused.gif[/img]

Thank you guys

kidvett [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Dwight Gruber · 06-11-2002, 08:47 PM

byf 41 serial# 1514v has two 655 stamps.

--Dwight

tony k · 06-26-2002, 01:59 AM

byf 41 serial # 960a has two 135 proofs. I guess we're narrowing down the changeover range.....

Frank · 06-26-2002, 09:41 AM

My guess would be that around 7500 no suffix would be the middle of the transition. Most before that would be E/655 or mixed E/655 and E/135. After that they would be mixed and E/135. Most, if not all, after 1a to about 1000b will be E/135 [img]wink.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 06-26-2002, 09:58 AM

BYF 41 Serial Number 3061 M has two 135 proofs

(Correction: I was notified via email by Frank that there is no Luger # 3061 m BYF 41... I have rechecked my photo archive and Frank was correct. I misread the chamber date while reviewing the photos I had available. Thanks for catching that mistake Frank. -John S.)

BYF 41 Serial Number 9729 U has two 655 proofs

Hope this helps in your search for the transition point.

My personal byf 41 is 2871 and has two 655 proofs but unfortunately, I don't remember the suffix letter and it is not here in the office... it is locked away in a safe...about 60 miles from here... [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />

I would bet that Bill Munis could have more info about where the transition took place... How about it Bill? Can you hear me NOW? Good! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Aaron · 06-26-2002, 02:27 PM

My byf 41, serial #3444t has E/655 proofs only.

Herb · 06-26-2002, 03:11 PM

According to Costanzo The 41 eagle over 135 with a third eagle holding a swastika in a circle is a Mauser police contract but only if the numbers 135 run in a straight line, not curved. This is the first year the 135 was used. If the 135's are curved, then it could be one of several different types.

MauserLugers · 06-27-2002, 08:56 AM

Hi,
You guys have it narrowed down pretty good!
The byf 41's started showing up in the "n" block, which was a transition from the 1940/42, start of the 41/42, and start of the byf 41's. So you can find all three variations in this block.

Letter blocks N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, and part of the No Suffix all have the 655/655 acceptance marks.

The No suffix block is the transition block and can have either 655/655 -- 655/135 -- or 135/135 acceptance marks.

The "A" block will have either 655/655 or 135/135 marks on them, and the "B" block will have only 135/135 marks.

Each transition took place fairly quickly, but it is possible to find a "straggler" a few thousand Lugers down the line, but for the most part this gives you a fairly good idea where the transitions took place.

So - N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, --- NS, A, B is the range and you can get an idea of the transition. Hope that helps. Bill

JuergenG · 06-28-2002, 08:55 AM

Just another confirmation:
2884q has E/655 acceptance.
Juergen

06-10-2002, 10:55 PM	#1
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	BYF PROOFS A BYF 41 with E/655 proofs on the right side of receiver? I'm used to see them with E/135 proofs. Anybody can shed some light on this? [img]confused.gif[/img]

06-10-2002, 11:03 PM	#2
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Kidvett; only very late BYF 41 Lugers had the E/135 proof and it is worth a slight premium over the E/655 proof. There are a few with one of each! Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

06-26-2002, 09:58 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	BYF 41 Serial Number 3061 M has two 135 proofs (Correction: I was notified via email by Frank that there is no Luger # 3061 m BYF 41... I have rechecked my photo archive and Frank was correct. I misread the chamber date while reviewing the photos I had available. Thanks for catching that mistake Frank. -John S.) BYF 41 Serial Number 9729 U has two 655 proofs Hope this helps in your search for the transition point. My personal byf 41 is 2871 and has two 655 proofs but unfortunately, I don't remember the suffix letter and it is not here in the office... it is locked away in a safe...about 60 miles from here... [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> I would bet that Bill Munis could have more info about where the transition took place... How about it Bill? Can you hear me NOW? Good! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-26-2002, 03:11 PM	#11
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	According to Costanzo The 41 eagle over 135 with a third eagle holding a swastika in a circle is a Mauser police contract but only if the numbers 135 run in a straight line, not curved. This is the first year the 135 was used. If the 135's are curved, then it could be one of several different types. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-10-2002, 11:03 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Early one had 655, later ones an byf 42 have 135 inspector acceptance markings __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

06-11-2002, 10:07 AM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Most byf 41's have the both E/655 acceptance marks. A few (I don't have a feel for how many, maybe several thousand, but that's a real guess) have a mixed set of E/655 and E/135 WaA's and about 4000 have the E/135 WaA set. I believe all byf 42's are E/135.

06-11-2002, 11:34 AM	#5
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	So if I get it correctly: BYF 41's E/655 proofs, late ones E/135 & some mixed of E/655 & E/135 BYF 42's E/135 All the 42's I've seen have the E/135 proof. I've seen some 41's with the E/135 proof but that E/655 41 was something new to me [img]confused.gif[/img] Thank you guys kidvett [img]tongue.gif[/img]

06-11-2002, 08:47 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	byf 41 serial# 1514v has two 655 stamps. --Dwight

06-26-2002, 01:59 AM	#7
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	byf 41 serial # 960a has two 135 proofs. I guess we're narrowing down the changeover range.....

06-26-2002, 09:41 AM	#8
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	My guess would be that around 7500 no suffix would be the middle of the transition. Most before that would be E/655 or mixed E/655 and E/135. After that they would be mixed and E/135. Most, if not all, after 1a to about 1000b will be E/135 [img]wink.gif[/img]

06-26-2002, 02:27 PM	#10
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	My byf 41, serial #3444t has E/655 proofs only.

06-27-2002, 08:56 AM	#12
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi, You guys have it narrowed down pretty good! The byf 41's started showing up in the "n" block, which was a transition from the 1940/42, start of the 41/42, and start of the byf 41's. So you can find all three variations in this block. Letter blocks N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, and part of the No Suffix all have the 655/655 acceptance marks. The No suffix block is the transition block and can have either 655/655 -- 655/135 -- or 135/135 acceptance marks. The "A" block will have either 655/655 or 135/135 marks on them, and the "B" block will have only 135/135 marks. Each transition took place fairly quickly, but it is possible to find a "straggler" a few thousand Lugers down the line, but for the most part this gives you a fairly good idea where the transitions took place. So - N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, --- NS, A, B is the range and you can get an idea of the transition. Hope that helps. Bill

06-28-2002, 08:55 AM	#13
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just another confirmation: 2884q has E/655 acceptance. Juergen