need help with 1921 chamber stamp

[Bob B]

Hi..just purchased a luger and need some help identifying it. First I state what I think I know
DWM all matching, 1921 chamber date, 4 digit ser #, bore code listed under ser #, no numbers on front or back strap, has sear saftey, has magazine saftey not working but there is a part still in the frame though it dosen't protrude into the magazine well, the only numbers on the gun are the ser # and bore code. grips were refinished (ouch),

My questions are...What does the 1921 chamber number, proof marks on the right of the reciever and top of barrel mean...What can you tell me about the magazine.
here are some pictures
Any help is greatly appreciated

[Bob B]

Here's a few more pictures

[Bob B]

and a couple more..I did it this way because I couldn't upload them in my original post

[DonVoigt]

Hi Bob, and welcome.

What does the 1921 chamber number = year the luger was made;
proof marks on the right of the receiver = inspection after processing stages and final proof;
top of barrel = barrel firing proof;

What can you tell me about the magazine - Magazine body made by Haenel as it says, wood bottom is beech, a police magazine as indicated by the two, and mismatched to the pistol you show.

You don't show the serial number, either on front of the frame of left side of the chamber; which usually helps to id the pistol.

Check out the frequently asked questions and how to identify your luger stickies at the top of the
new collector sub-forum

[sheepherder]

Datig states that he has observed chamber dates of 1920, 1921, and 1922. on 'new' Lugers manufactured/assembled for the Army. (pg 131, The Luger Pistol).

Your pistol also has the Schiwy sear safety indicating Police use. There is also evidence of the magazine safety having been fitted, also indicating Police use.

It would be interesting to remove the left grip and see if the magazine safety is intact.

[Dwight Gruber]

I seriously question the 1922 assertion.

--Dwight

[Bob B]

there is part that goes from the area circled over into a hole in the fame...it dosen't protrude into the magazine well . I've attached a couple of photos

[DonVoigt]

Your magazine safety is deactivated in one of several "ways" that are seen. The projection into the mag well and behind the trigger have been removed.

Some are cut back even farther with just the "U" left in place; others have been removed entirely and the slot left open; still others- but not as many- were removed and the "slot" filled by welding and the repair spot refinished.

I have two pistols with magazine safties that have been "repaired" and now look and work as they were originally intended.

Only one or a few "original" intact magazine safeties have been reported.

Datig's book is pretty "dated" now, more recent fully referenced works have not reported the 1922 dated production. One of the members here has seen a "1922", original? Maybe maybe not, but they sure are not seen on the market- not even by the "fakers" of rare lugers.

[Bob B]

Thanks for your reply.....how does the serial # help id this pistol?

[Edward Tinker]

The year dates it pretty exact. It was made in 1921. Also, see the dove acceptance, that's only for a short time.

[mrerick]

Hi, the proof marks are appropriate to your pistol, and represent early Weimar period acceptance of the pistol.

IIRC all the Haenel Schmeisser milled magazines had aluminum bases. It looks like someone replaced this with a wooden base at some point.

The full serial number with suffix helps confirm that the frame and receiver are correct for the date (1921). (reference to 1922 was a typo...)

Is your Luger a 9mm gun?

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by mrerick

Hi, the proof marks are appropriate to your pistol, and represent early Weimar period acceptance of the pistol.

IIRC all the Haenel Schmeisser milled magazines had aluminum bases. It looks like someone replaced this with a wooden base at some point.

The full serial number with suffix helps confirm that the frame and receiver are correct for the date (1922).

Is your Luger a 9mm gun?

Where is the 1922 coming from?
The chamber date is 1921!

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Where is the 1922 coming from?
The chamber date is 1921!

1921

Worked all day, then had class from 6-9

Typo

[Dwight Gruber]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Where is the 1922 coming from?
The chamber date is 1921!

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Datig states that he has observed chamber dates of 1920, 1921, and 1922. on 'new' Lugers manufactured/assembled for the Army. (pg 131, The Luger Pistol).

--Dwight

[Dwight Gruber]

Originally Posted by Bob B

Thanks for your reply.....how does the serial # help id this pistol?

There is a slim possibility that this pistol came from commercial production. The serial number would determine that.

--Dwight

[Bob B]

Thanks for all your help...the serial # is four digits, no letters, listed on the bottom of the barrel and the front and side of the reciever....the bore code is 883 and is listed beneath the ser# on the barrel

[alanint]

Hi Bob,

There is no reason to be so cagy with the serial numbers. Numbers are shared freely here and disclosing them have virtually no downsides. The rumors that someone will use them to file a stolen pistol report or other nefarious uses is overblown, if not ridiculous.

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

--Dwight

Right,
but has nothing to do with the OP pistol.
Ed made a typo, later corrected, and then Marc continued the "1922" in his post.

The OP pistol has a clear 1921 date on the chamber- that was my point.

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Bob B

Thanks for all your help...the serial # is four digits, no letters, listed on the bottom of the barrel and the front and side of the reciever....the bore code is 883 and is listed beneath the ser# on the barrel

883 is not a code. You're missing a comma. It should be 8,83. And it's the bore measure in mm.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by kurusu

883 is not a code. You're missing a comma. It should be 8,83. And it's the bore measure in mm.

Or land diameter.