GERMANY and MADE IN GERMANY Marking - Page 2

adlerauger · 12-08-2010, 10:08 PM

Gentlemen:
In reading the above posts, it seems to appear the majority of commercial Lugers were stamped "Germany". I have a DWM, serial #9805-K", which I'm told is a production year of 1922. It has no "Germany" stamp anywhere. How unusual is that? I mean, were most, or only some marked that way?
As a side note, being new to the Luger addiction, I believe even Sherlock Holmes would have had his hands full trying to track down all of the clues about Luger's many variants and anomalies.
Best Regards,
Adler Auger

MFC · 12-09-2010, 01:58 AM

Elementary Watson... The Luger was originally sold in Europe and is probably a bring back.

alanint · 12-09-2010, 06:22 AM

Adler,

Only commertial Lugers destined to be sold in the US have a "Germany" stamped on them. Our regs, not theirs.
I am not aware of any other country that required the country of manufacturing origen to be stamped on firearms being imported.

adlerauger · 12-09-2010, 06:29 PM

Gentlemen:
As always, appreciate the reply and the information.
If I may push the "question" envelope one more time. I've searched the site looking for the subject of numbered vs non-numbered side plates and I'm still not clear on the issue.
My DWM, #9805-K has all matching parts except magazine and side plate. I've scoured the side plate and there are no marks, numbers, symbols, etc. It's my understanding (however fuzzy) that commercial Lugers should have a numbered side plate; Ja, Nein??
I await the verdict.
Best Regards,
Adler Auger aka Dale

lugerholsterrepair · 12-09-2010, 06:53 PM

Dale, Yes..Commercial Lugers will have the sideplate number on the underside ledge.

Jerry Burney

adlerauger · 12-09-2010, 10:42 PM

Thanks Jerry:
I'll keep my eyes peeled for side plate #05 in that case. And even if I don't find one, it's still a great little shooter.
Best Regards,
Dale

dharger · 12-10-2010, 05:41 AM

I wonder about the side plate numbering myself. I have a commercial Luger in 7.65 without a numbered sideplate. I'm about 99% sure its never been refinished and the sideplate looks like its been on it since the day it left the factory.

MFC · 12-10-2010, 09:22 AM

David,
It is possible, but unlikely, that it left the factory without a number. The number should be there, so it will always be considered mismatched, even if it was a factory mistake/oversight.

DavidJayUden · 12-10-2010, 10:10 AM

Definitely no number along the lower edge?

dharger · 12-11-2010, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFC

David,
It is possible, but unlikely, that it left the factory without a number. The number should be there, so it will always be considered mismatched, even if it was a factory mistake/oversight.

I agree that it will always be viewed as mismatched and it is too bad in this guns case. I just have a feeling that it left the factory this way.I was lucky enough to pick it up on the cheap (guy just didn't want it)so no harm done on the wallet. I even looked under magnification for a sign of a number but there is none. I don't get the chance to shoot much anymore, but if I do, it should make one heck of a shooter.

Dwight Gruber · 12-11-2010, 04:25 PM

Great Britain had (has) a counry-of-origin import identification requirement, but I'm not sure how that applies to firearms. Britain does have a national proof law, and foreign weapons include "Not English Made" in the proof suite.

--Dwight

dalep38 · 12-20-2010, 09:25 PM

Dwight and others: Here is the stamp "not english made" that was referred to. So far as halo , no halo You can be the judge. Its from a byf 43 P.38. I hope you can see it clear enough, my picture skills are lacking a bit. ..Thank You, Dale

Lugerdoc · 12-27-2010, 10:50 AM

Dale, Nice clear photo. It's my recollection that most "tommy" bring back firearms never were registered, although to have them LEGALY registered, the proof house inspection and markings were required. TH

12-09-2010, 01:58 AM	#22
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Elementary Watson... The Luger was originally sold in Europe and is probably a bring back. __________________ Mike C.

12-09-2010, 06:53 PM	#25
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Dale, Yes..Commercial Lugers will have the sideplate number on the underside ledge. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-10-2010, 09:22 AM	#28
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	David, It is possible, but unlikely, that it left the factory without a number. The number should be there, so it will always be considered mismatched, even if it was a factory mistake/oversight. __________________ Mike C.

12-20-2010, 09:25 PM	#32
dalep38 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 60 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Dwight and others: Here is the stamp "not english made" that was referred to. So far as halo , no halo You can be the judge. Its from a byf 43 P.38. I hope you can see it clear enough, my picture skills are lacking a bit. ..Thank You, Dale Attached Thumbnails __________________ Always looking for early P.38's Original finish collector grade ,Zeros,480,ac only,40 added,ac40,ac41's and mags

12-27-2010, 10:50 AM	#33
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Dale, Nice clear photo. It's my recollection that most "tommy" bring back firearms never were registered, although to have them LEGALY registered, the proof house inspection and markings were required. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-08-2010, 10:08 PM	#21
adlerauger User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 50 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gentlemen: In reading the above posts, it seems to appear the majority of commercial Lugers were stamped "Germany". I have a DWM, serial #9805-K", which I'm told is a production year of 1922. It has no "Germany" stamp anywhere. How unusual is that? I mean, were most, or only some marked that way? As a side note, being new to the Luger addiction, I believe even Sherlock Holmes would have had his hands full trying to track down all of the clues about Luger's many variants and anomalies. Best Regards, Adler Auger

12-09-2010, 06:22 AM	#23
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Adler, Only commertial Lugers destined to be sold in the US have a "Germany" stamped on them. Our regs, not theirs. I am not aware of any other country that required the country of manufacturing origen to be stamped on firearms being imported.

12-09-2010, 06:29 PM	#24
adlerauger User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 50 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gentlemen: As always, appreciate the reply and the information. If I may push the "question" envelope one more time. I've searched the site looking for the subject of numbered vs non-numbered side plates and I'm still not clear on the issue. My DWM, #9805-K has all matching parts except magazine and side plate. I've scoured the side plate and there are no marks, numbers, symbols, etc. It's my understanding (however fuzzy) that commercial Lugers should have a numbered side plate; Ja, Nein?? I await the verdict. Best Regards, Adler Auger aka Dale

12-09-2010, 10:42 PM	#26
adlerauger User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 50 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Jerry: I'll keep my eyes peeled for side plate #05 in that case. And even if I don't find one, it's still a great little shooter. Best Regards, Dale

12-10-2010, 05:41 AM	#27
dharger User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I wonder about the side plate numbering myself. I have a commercial Luger in 7.65 without a numbered sideplate. I'm about 99% sure its never been refinished and the sideplate looks like its been on it since the day it left the factory.

12-10-2010, 10:10 AM	#29
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Definitely no number along the lower edge?

12-11-2010, 04:25 PM	#31
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Great Britain had (has) a counry-of-origin import identification requirement, but I'm not sure how that applies to firearms. Britain does have a national proof law, and foreign weapons include "Not English Made" in the proof suite. --Dwight