While I'm Waiting For Ted To Remove The Rear Sight

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 05:17 PM

I got a look of a 1920 9mm Luger Carbine barrel. It appears the base of the barrel is reinforced! I welcome any comments! Eric

Ron Wood · 09-03-2012, 06:25 PM

Eric,
It is not exactly a "reinforcement", it is just part of the mount for the rear sight. There is nothing about the gun or ammunition that requires reinforcement.

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 07:03 PM

Shere Genius!! The concensus that the rear site was incorect. I told Ted to do nothing until we know for sure! Ill post a picture!

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 07:14 PM

and had to go!!! i SENT A MESSAGE TO TED TO CEASE UNTIL THIS IS WORKED OUT! What do you think!!

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 07:38 PM

Its not that sight. Its the little notch on the end posted above that pete and a few said it was improper!

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 07:57 PM

Till this mystery is solved I told Ted to cease and desist!!

George Anderson · 09-03-2012, 08:04 PM

Eric, it should be replaced with a sightless artillery type rear toggle. George

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 08:39 PM

It appear that Kenyan was right, using left over parts. So it is therefore correct according to Kenyan. Ill leave it as it is. I might not like the post surgical result!

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 09:19 PM

LIFE SAVED,.....for now!I thank all!

cirelaw · 09-03-2012, 10:03 PM

My carbine has the later round not dish that went with every 1920 model! Tks

nukem556 · 09-03-2012, 10:21 PM

seems to be massive confusion in communication here...Eric's carbine should not have a rear toggle with a v-notch sight like regular Lugers....it'll be "more correct" with a smooth rear toggle like an Artillery, of course not original, but then it wasn't before!

cirelaw · 09-04-2012, 08:33 AM

Its the new style.

cirelaw · 09-04-2012, 01:13 PM

This is for Jerry a close friend and advisor! Thank You!

cirelaw · 09-05-2012, 05:53 PM

I decided to keep it as is. Sometime I might sell it and I would sell it as it came from DWM. Who am I to second guess its' maker!!I have been offered a replacement from a good friend and collector. Whats stoping me is my original toggle assembly is numbered to the gun a '31. To remove it would create a carbine no longer original.'The so called mistake was put there 90 years ago at DWM. Obviously the multitude of inspectors saw nothing wrong. It had to be noticed. Funny a few professionals saw past the lil sight and along with DWM to appreciate the carbine for whats its worth!Who am I to change its history!!~!EJB

Lugerdoc · 09-06-2012, 09:57 AM

EJB, It's hard to tell from your one photo of your carbine's frame, if it is in fact the long M1902 type, which should have the "sightless" dished rear toggle, or the later short frame M1920 type (probably this one, judging from the 4 digit serial under the barrel) which as mentioned above normally have the same rear toggle as an LPO8. If your frame has the M1902 features, I do have a spare M1902 Carbine rear toggle link. TH

cirelaw · 09-06-2012, 03:12 PM

Thank You Tom, Ive been offered a replacement from George already but mine is original to the gun. I would rather own a carbine with a mistake over 90 years and questionable but original!! These were unique pieces and who am I to change it in any way!I content with the way it left DWM passing its final inspection and numerous during construction. It would be a sin to change it as it was 90 years 90 years ago. Whats worse it is no longer original. Thanks again and I'll leave it as it is especially if a few a DWM f'ed up! Whats more amazing it got past all the inspectors. Its way to late to try to change history! Thank to You and George and Ted upon whose hands I trusted. We both agreed to do nothing. Please anytime you might want to change your original she will never again be a Historical Virgin!

SIGP2101 · 09-19-2012, 12:30 PM

Serial # font "typewriter" used on that barrel is not same as font used on that toggle 90 years ago. (refferring to toggle #31 not #86)

cirelaw · 09-21-2012, 06:42 PM

Thank You for your opinion. I'm more progmatic! You can't and shouldn't change history! Who knows why its there. It had to be noticed by more than one DWM inspectors. It didn't seem to be a concern by either their inspectors or the prior owners. I want to leave your option available to the future owners. I had Ted send it back as were both of the same opinion. One notch won't change my opinion one way or another! I'm proud to own it no matter Tks Eric.

wlyon · 09-21-2012, 10:52 PM

Eric
Don't want to keep this going forever but what makes you think it came from the factory that way? I doubt that very very much. Nice luger anyway. Bill

cirelaw · 09-22-2012, 11:41 AM

I would have my doubts as a later replacement but it has the last two digit of its its serial number on its toggle "31" How else can anyone explain it!! Thank for you interest!! The problem is there a not enough out there to compare~ PS Who is Eugene?

09-03-2012, 05:17 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	While I'm Waiting For Ted To Remove The Rear Sight I got a look of a 1920 9mm Luger Carbine barrel. It appears the base of the barrel is reinforced! I welcome any comments! Eric Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2012, 06:25 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Eric, It is not exactly a "reinforcement", it is just part of the mount for the rear sight. There is nothing about the gun or ammunition that requires reinforcement. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-03-2012, 07:14 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I Was Told The Rear Sight WAas Inproper and had to go!!! i SENT A MESSAGE TO TED TO CEASE UNTIL THIS IS WORKED OUT! What do you think!! Attached Thumbnails

09-04-2012, 08:33 AM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I know my pictue is deceiving Its the new style. Attached Thumbnails

09-04-2012, 01:13 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	This is for Jerry a close friend and advisor! Thank You! Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2012, 07:03 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Shere Genius!! The concensus that the rear site was incorect. I told Ted to do nothing until we know for sure! Ill post a picture!

09-03-2012, 07:38 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Its not that sight. Its the little notch on the end posted above that pete and a few said it was improper!

09-03-2012, 07:57 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Till this mystery is solved I told Ted to cease and desist!!

09-03-2012, 08:04 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Eric, it should be replaced with a sightless artillery type rear toggle. George

09-03-2012, 08:39 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It appear that Kenyan was right, using left over parts. So it is therefore correct according to Kenyan. Ill leave it as it is. I might not like the post surgical result!

09-03-2012, 09:19 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	LIFE SAVED,.....for now!I thank all!

09-03-2012, 10:03 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	My carbine has the later round not dish that went with every 1920 model! Tks

09-03-2012, 10:21 PM	#11
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	seems to be massive confusion in communication here...Eric's carbine should not have a rear toggle with a v-notch sight like regular Lugers....it'll be "more correct" with a smooth rear toggle like an Artillery, of course not original, but then it wasn't before!

09-05-2012, 05:53 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I decided to keep it as is. Sometime I might sell it and I would sell it as it came from DWM. Who am I to second guess its' maker!!I have been offered a replacement from a good friend and collector. Whats stoping me is my original toggle assembly is numbered to the gun a '31. To remove it would create a carbine no longer original.'The so called mistake was put there 90 years ago at DWM. Obviously the multitude of inspectors saw nothing wrong. It had to be noticed. Funny a few professionals saw past the lil sight and along with DWM to appreciate the carbine for whats its worth!Who am I to change its history!!~!EJB Attached Thumbnails

09-06-2012, 09:57 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	EJB, It's hard to tell from your one photo of your carbine's frame, if it is in fact the long M1902 type, which should have the "sightless" dished rear toggle, or the later short frame M1920 type (probably this one, judging from the 4 digit serial under the barrel) which as mentioned above normally have the same rear toggle as an LPO8. If your frame has the M1902 features, I do have a spare M1902 Carbine rear toggle link. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-06-2012, 03:12 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You Tom, Ive been offered a replacement from George already but mine is original to the gun. I would rather own a carbine with a mistake over 90 years and questionable but original!! These were unique pieces and who am I to change it in any way!I content with the way it left DWM passing its final inspection and numerous during construction. It would be a sin to change it as it was 90 years 90 years ago. Whats worse it is no longer original. Thanks again and I'll leave it as it is especially if a few a DWM f'ed up! Whats more amazing it got past all the inspectors. Its way to late to try to change history! Thank to You and George and Ted upon whose hands I trusted. We both agreed to do nothing. Please anytime you might want to change your original she will never again be a Historical Virgin! Attached Thumbnails

09-19-2012, 12:30 PM	#17
SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	Serial # font "typewriter" used on that barrel is not same as font used on that toggle 90 years ago. (refferring to toggle #31 not #86)

09-21-2012, 06:42 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You for your opinion. I'm more progmatic! You can't and shouldn't change history! Who knows why its there. It had to be noticed by more than one DWM inspectors. It didn't seem to be a concern by either their inspectors or the prior owners. I want to leave your option available to the future owners. I had Ted send it back as were both of the same opinion. One notch won't change my opinion one way or another! I'm proud to own it no matter Tks Eric.

09-21-2012, 10:52 PM	#19
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,523 Times in 940 Posts	Eric Don't want to keep this going forever but what makes you think it came from the factory that way? I doubt that very very much. Nice luger anyway. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-22-2012, 11:41 AM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I would have my doubts as a later replacement but it has the last two digit of its its serial number on its toggle "31" How else can anyone explain it!! Thank for you interest!! The problem is there a not enough out there to compare~ PS Who is Eugene?