1916 Luger Value

ahmedmazhar · 06-03-2013, 08:01 AM

hey guys, im posting some pictures of my luger. it woud be highly appreciated if i could get an idea as to how much my luger would sell for and how good the condition is.
all parts are matching
cheers

Mauser720 · 06-03-2013, 09:04 AM

Does the magazine match too?

ahmedmazhar · 06-03-2013, 10:42 AM

yea the clip is matching

Lugerdoc · 06-03-2013, 11:48 AM

Your matching, including mag & grips, 1915 military PO8 could bring up to $2,000 IF the finish is original and the bore is minty. TH

DavidJayUden · 06-03-2013, 12:08 PM

I suppose that anything is possible, but $2k seems pretty optimistic to me. Maybe absolute top retail dollar to someone with more dollars than sense...
Assuming that everything, and I mean everything, matches, I'm seeing an above average WW1 gun that should be in the $1500-$1650 range.
But, as with everything, it is worth EXACTLY what someone (with money) is willing to pay for it. No more, no less.
I'd like to see more photos, as I MAY be seeing past pitting on the top of the toggle. Close-ups of the front number AND the mag. will help too.
Thanks for showing us your Luger. It is very nice.
dju

alanint · 06-03-2013, 12:35 PM

Your toggle train has an unusual number of stampings for a WW1 DWM. Could you post closeups of these?

They look a bit like Belgian proofs.

Jerry · 06-03-2013, 05:36 PM

Good eye! Without seeing it around $1200-1400 is my guess.

ahmedmazhar · 06-03-2013, 06:00 PM

thank you so much for the information guys. the problem that i face at selling it is. im from pakistan and i visited a gun shop recently. told him it belonged to my great grand father and i had absolutely no idea how much its worth. he then gave me an offer of $900.

do you guys think theres any legal way of shipping this gun to the states and then selling it?

ahmedmazhar · 06-03-2013, 06:20 PM

here are the pictures of the toggle

Jerry · 06-03-2013, 06:25 PM

It can be done but may not be worth the hassle to do it.

Jerry

ahmedmazhar · 06-03-2013, 06:30 PM

dont you think the hassle is worth another 1100 bucks?

Jerry · 06-03-2013, 06:42 PM

I would check and see what an importer will charge you to do it. Could be pricey. You could do it but there are something you would need to check out first.

I would think it would bring a nice penny in your country.

Jerry

Edward Tinker · 06-03-2013, 07:45 PM

Please don't post in the or sale section unless its for sale, now.

skeeter4206 · 06-03-2013, 07:56 PM

I am curious about the markings on the barrel. The NP and the other markings beside it.

alanint · 06-03-2013, 08:03 PM

The NP would most obviously be a Nitro Proof, perhaps done back when Pakistan was a British colony. The proof next to the "NP" on the barrel is the same one that is on the entire toggle train.
There is also something written on the right frame rail that has been neatly enclosed with a engraved zigzag cartouche.

beachbaker · 06-03-2013, 09:21 PM

Also if it was imported into the U.S. an import mark would be placed on it which would significantly reduce collector value. Between the costs to import and loss in collector value and interest it is not economically sound idea. Curt

Ron Wood · 06-03-2013, 10:26 PM

Those are British proofs and the "engraved zigzag cartouche" most likely contains the words "Not English Made". The gun has spent some time in England during its lifetime

lugersrkewl · 06-03-2013, 11:32 PM

Vickers? thanks for posting pics.

wlyon · 06-04-2013, 12:17 AM

No not Vickers. Just a luger ending up sometime in England and by their law was British proofed. There are lots of luger in this country with British markings. I have owned and sold two. Bill

ahmedmazhar · 06-04-2013, 03:37 AM

thank you for the info and help guys!

cheers

06-03-2013, 08:01 AM	#1
ahmedmazhar User Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1916 Luger Value hey guys, im posting some pictures of my luger. it woud be highly appreciated if i could get an idea as to how much my luger would sell for and how good the condition is. all parts are matching cheers Attached Thumbnails

06-03-2013, 09:04 AM	#2
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Does the magazine match too? __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

06-03-2013, 11:48 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Your matching, including mag & grips, 1915 military PO8 could bring up to $2,000 IF the finish is original and the bore is minty. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-03-2013, 05:36 PM	#7
Jerry Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Good eye! Without seeing it around $1200-1400 is my guess. __________________ Jerry

06-03-2013, 06:20 PM	#9
ahmedmazhar User Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	here are the pictures of the toggle Attached Thumbnails

06-03-2013, 10:42 AM	#3
ahmedmazhar User Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yea the clip is matching

06-03-2013, 12:08 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I suppose that anything is possible, but $2k seems pretty optimistic to me. Maybe absolute top retail dollar to someone with more dollars than sense... Assuming that everything, and I mean everything, matches, I'm seeing an above average WW1 gun that should be in the $1500-$1650 range. But, as with everything, it is worth EXACTLY what someone (with money) is willing to pay for it. No more, no less. I'd like to see more photos, as I MAY be seeing past pitting on the top of the toggle. Close-ups of the front number AND the mag. will help too. Thanks for showing us your Luger. It is very nice. dju

06-03-2013, 12:35 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Your toggle train has an unusual number of stampings for a WW1 DWM. Could you post closeups of these? They look a bit like Belgian proofs.

06-03-2013, 06:00 PM	#8
ahmedmazhar User Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you so much for the information guys. the problem that i face at selling it is. im from pakistan and i visited a gun shop recently. told him it belonged to my great grand father and i had absolutely no idea how much its worth. he then gave me an offer of $900. do you guys think theres any legal way of shipping this gun to the states and then selling it?

06-03-2013, 06:25 PM	#10
Jerry Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	It can be done but may not be worth the hassle to do it. Jerry __________________ Jerry

06-03-2013, 06:30 PM	#11
ahmedmazhar User Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	dont you think the hassle is worth another 1100 bucks?

06-03-2013, 06:42 PM	#12
Jerry Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	I would check and see what an importer will charge you to do it. Could be pricey. You could do it but there are something you would need to check out first. I would think it would bring a nice penny in your country. Jerry __________________ Jerry

06-03-2013, 07:45 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Please don't post in the or sale section unless its for sale, now.

06-03-2013, 07:56 PM	#14
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	I am curious about the markings on the barrel. The NP and the other markings beside it.

06-03-2013, 08:03 PM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The NP would most obviously be a Nitro Proof, perhaps done back when Pakistan was a British colony. The proof next to the "NP" on the barrel is the same one that is on the entire toggle train. There is also something written on the right frame rail that has been neatly enclosed with a engraved zigzag cartouche.

06-03-2013, 09:21 PM	#16
beachbaker Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: california Posts: 135 Thanks: 27 Thanked 106 Times in 29 Posts	Also if it was imported into the U.S. an import mark would be placed on it which would significantly reduce collector value. Between the costs to import and loss in collector value and interest it is not economically sound idea. Curt __________________ Curt

06-03-2013, 10:26 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Those are British proofs and the "engraved zigzag cartouche" most likely contains the words "Not English Made". The gun has spent some time in England during its lifetime __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-03-2013, 11:32 PM	#18
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	Vickers? thanks for posting pics.

06-04-2013, 12:17 AM	#19
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,523 Times in 940 Posts	No not Vickers. Just a luger ending up sometime in England and by their law was British proofed. There are lots of luger in this country with British markings. I have owned and sold two. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

06-04-2013, 03:37 AM	#20
ahmedmazhar User Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you for the info and help guys! cheers