DWM 1918 M. Felzien

mfelzien · 11-07-2015, 06:35 PM

Greetings everyone,

This is my first post, but I've been lurking around and reading as much as I can before I posted.

I recently purchased a DWM 1918 all matching numbers 8809. The magazine number also matches. I've been enjoying shooting it on the weekends, but I'm feeling horrible guilt as to perhaps it should be in a museum. I also had a question about the British import stamp on the barrel, could someone tell me something about when it was likely stamped, and perhaps some discussion on the testing to 13 ton (what pressure is that in psi? seen several discussions that are all wrong).

I also, have to a concern of the scraping on the back of the gun, what is this from. I have more questions as time goes on, just wanted to say thank you to everyone and post some pictures.

M. Felzien

It's always Oktoberfest somewhere

wlyon · 11-07-2015, 08:24 PM

It is not a museum quality luger. The British proofs are probably from being captured during the war. The British proofed all or most of these. The mag has been boosted ie numbers changed to match the luger. Still a nice old luger and if all numbers match I for one would not shoot it. These old parts do break and then the value goes way down. Your gun your decision. Some one else will have to respond to the case. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the Forum.

alanint · 11-07-2015, 08:38 PM

That's the first time I have ever seen a "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp. Is that just a trick of light? Oil? or has the bluing been removed?

mfelzien · 11-07-2015, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

That's the first time I have ever seen a "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp. Is that just a trick of light? Oil? or has the bluing been removed?

I believe it has been altered in the past (bluing removed) to emphasis the lettering (done by a gunsmith). The strawing is good. I will post additional pictures.

DonVoigt · 11-07-2015, 09:46 PM

The scraping on the back is not from the pistol functioning, but from some external source-perhaps a holster.

I'd like to see more pictures of the box, and its label, please.

mfelzien · 11-07-2015, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wlyon

It is not a museum quality luger. The British proofs are probably from being captured during the war. The British proofed all or most of these. The mag has been boosted ie numbers changed to match the luger. Still a nice old luger and if all numbers match I for one would not shoot it. These old parts do break and then the value goes way down. Your gun your decision. Some one else will have to respond to the case. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the Forum.

Thanks Bill,

I agree on the magazine. It looks like a "6" has been changed to a "0", but the dealer assured me it was original matching. I will be careful with it but I think I will be in the market soon for a mixed-match, and using that would make me feel a bit safer. (I suppose it's hard to just buy one

. Thanks.

ithacaartist · 11-08-2015, 01:18 AM

Welcome Michael, you've picked up quite early on the addictive nature of Luge-itis!

BTW, the full serial number includes the letter-suffix "i".

DonVoigt · 11-08-2015, 11:21 AM

I'm trying to read the label on the case, looks like some limited edition "Hans Taucher" related
reproduction.

Can we get a good picture of the label, or does someone already know the origin of the case?

Sergio Natali · 11-08-2015, 12:58 PM

Nice Luger, probably not a shooter, but as a collectible there are some red flags as already evidenced by Bill.
If it's all matching is allright although I cannot really explain that wide "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp.
Welcome to this Forum of Luger enthusiasts!

mfelzien · 11-08-2015, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by donvoigt

i'm trying to read the label on the case, looks like some limited edition "hans taucher" related
reproduction.

Can we get a good picture of the label, or does someone already know the origin of the case?

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mfelzien · 11-08-2015, 03:05 PM

Toggle action shot and strawing.

HERE is a link to a short clip showing the toggle action on the gun:

DWM 1918 Toggle Action

buster123 · 11-08-2015, 04:19 PM

These guys in th uk make them
http://cmrfirearms.com/shop/product_...3b387d31d35a4f

Sergio Natali · 11-09-2015, 04:55 AM

All these precious English wood boxes and beautiful accessories... then they deactivate all the firearms...

buster123 · 11-09-2015, 07:26 AM

Handguns where banned in the UK in 97 due to one disturbed fool by the name of Thomas Hamilton, he walked into a primary school in dunblane Scotland and shot 16 small children and their teacher, so the government's knee-jerk reaction still stands to this day, and will never change! They are even considering banning airguns, and the only way you can own an airsoft or modern replica is if you are a registered reinactor. But it's perfectly legal to go out and buy a crossbow ???

hayhugh · 11-09-2015, 10:22 AM

Hope they don't come begging for American handout guns again like the did in the 2nd WW.

buster123 · 11-09-2015, 10:28 AM

Why would the come begging for guns when they are illegal in their country??

DavidJayUden · 11-09-2015, 11:53 AM

Happened in both WW1 and 2. We sent sporting arms by the shipload to the UK so they could protect themselves from their neighbors.
At some point it would be tempting to "not answer that call".
dju

Sergio Natali · 11-09-2015, 12:05 PM

Yes David is right, it happened twice at the beginning of both the World Wars!

buster123 · 11-09-2015, 12:58 PM

All right, I see where your coming from! Your talking about the uk government asking for arms! Well your quite right there! Why give them arms if the won't let there own people defend themselfs, if you go onto any deact website in the uk you will still find lend lease smith & wessons and Thompsons being sold.

11-07-2015, 06:35 PM	#1
mfelzien User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Berkeley CA Posts: 12 Thanks: 35 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	DWM 1918 M. Felzien Greetings everyone, This is my first post, but I've been lurking around and reading as much as I can before I posted. I recently purchased a DWM 1918 all matching numbers 8809. The magazine number also matches. I've been enjoying shooting it on the weekends, but I'm feeling horrible guilt as to perhaps it should be in a museum. I also had a question about the British import stamp on the barrel, could someone tell me something about when it was likely stamped, and perhaps some discussion on the testing to 13 ton (what pressure is that in psi? seen several discussions that are all wrong). I also, have to a concern of the scraping on the back of the gun, what is this from. I have more questions as time goes on, just wanted to say thank you to everyone and post some pictures. M. Felzien It's always Oktoberfest somewhere Attached Thumbnails __________________ It's always Oktoberfest somewhere

11-07-2015, 08:24 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	It is not a museum quality luger. The British proofs are probably from being captured during the war. The British proofed all or most of these. The mag has been boosted ie numbers changed to match the luger. Still a nice old luger and if all numbers match I for one would not shoot it. These old parts do break and then the value goes way down. Your gun your decision. Some one else will have to respond to the case. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the Forum. __________________ Bill Lyon

11-08-2015, 01:18 AM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,343 Thanks: 7,264 Thanked 2,576 Times in 1,364 Posts	Welcome Michael, you've picked up quite early on the addictive nature of Luge-itis! BTW, the full serial number includes the letter-suffix "i". __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-08-2015, 12:58 PM	#9
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Nice Luger, probably not a shooter, but as a collectible there are some red flags as already evidenced by Bill. If it's all matching is allright although I cannot really explain that wide "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp. Welcome to this Forum of Luger enthusiasts! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-08-2015, 03:05 PM	#11
mfelzien User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Berkeley CA Posts: 12 Thanks: 35 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Toggle action shot and strawing. HERE is a link to a short clip showing the toggle action on the gun: DWM 1918 Toggle Action Attached Thumbnails __________________ It's always Oktoberfest somewhere

11-07-2015, 08:38 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	That's the first time I have ever seen a "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp. Is that just a trick of light? Oil? or has the bluing been removed?

11-07-2015, 09:46 PM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	The scraping on the back is not from the pistol functioning, but from some external source-perhaps a holster. I'd like to see more pictures of the box, and its label, please.

11-08-2015, 11:21 AM	#8
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I'm trying to read the label on the case, looks like some limited edition "Hans Taucher" related reproduction. Can we get a good picture of the label, or does someone already know the origin of the case?

11-08-2015, 04:19 PM	#12
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	These guys in th uk make them http://cmrfirearms.com/shop/product_...3b387d31d35a4f

11-09-2015, 04:55 AM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	All these precious English wood boxes and beautiful accessories... then they deactivate all the firearms... __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-09-2015, 07:26 AM	#14
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Handguns where banned in the UK in 97 due to one disturbed fool by the name of Thomas Hamilton, he walked into a primary school in dunblane Scotland and shot 16 small children and their teacher, so the government's knee-jerk reaction still stands to this day, and will never change! They are even considering banning airguns, and the only way you can own an airsoft or modern replica is if you are a registered reinactor. But it's perfectly legal to go out and buy a crossbow ???

11-09-2015, 10:22 AM	#15
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Hope they don't come begging for American handout guns again like the did in the 2nd WW.

11-09-2015, 10:28 AM	#16
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Why would the come begging for guns when they are illegal in their country??

11-09-2015, 11:53 AM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Happened in both WW1 and 2. We sent sporting arms by the shipload to the UK so they could protect themselves from their neighbors. At some point it would be tempting to "not answer that call". dju

11-09-2015, 12:05 PM	#18
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Yes David is right, it happened twice at the beginning of both the World Wars! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-09-2015, 12:58 PM	#19
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	All right, I see where your coming from! Your talking about the uk government asking for arms! Well your quite right there! Why give them arms if the won't let there own people defend themselfs, if you go onto any deact website in the uk you will still find lend lease smith & wessons and Thompsons being sold.