1908 ? Dwm

afsocv22 · 06-09-2011, 08:32 PM

HI, Need help with this one. 4" barrel, 9mm. ser # 5 ?
is it comm or mil. is it a 1908 test/accep model?

sheepherder · 06-09-2011, 08:41 PM

...Uh...This pic raises some Red Flags...

'Crown' does not even resemble a crown; N is obviously backwards...

It's a bad fake...Why anyone would even bother is a mystery...

afsocv22 · 06-09-2011, 09:01 PM

HMMMM, thats why i ask these things, Im new to lugers.

sheepherder · 06-09-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by afsocv22

HMMMM, thats why i ask these things, Im new to lugers.

Me, too...but after a year or so of watching the real experts pick fakes apart, I've learned a thing or two...

...Plus I have a real commercial Luger in front of me...Can't take a real good pic of the C/N on mine...

There's other obvious flaws, too...but I'll let someone who knows exactly what point them out...

Edit: this is the best pic I can get of mine...

alanint · 06-09-2011, 10:14 PM

No!...Wait!..Isn't this the long ilusive "Bizzaro World" contract? where major markings are backward?

sheepherder · 06-09-2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

No!...Wait!..Isn't this the long ilusive "Bizzaro World" contract? where major markings are backward?

Where do you even *find* a backwards 'N' stamp??? Is it maybe three strokes with an 'I'??? I thought maybe a 'V' + an 'I', but the 'V' looks too slanted...

I'm sure the '5' font is wrong, too...plus there's no proof on the barrel; and if it's a commercial, it can't very well be 9mm, can it???

...But I agree; It's a test Luger...in so many ways...

alanint · 06-09-2011, 10:57 PM

"Testing your patience", perhaps?

Ron Wood · 06-09-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

Where do you even *find* a backwards 'N' stamp???

Check out the Cyrillic alphabet. The "5" with its little ball terminus is also a bit like an Eastern European style. It could be totally bogus or it might be an Eastern European rework of some sort.

alanint · 06-10-2011, 06:46 AM

Interesting idea, The "Germany" import stamp right over the chamber would indicate, however, that it was exported at some point. Could this gun have possibly ended up in Eastern Europe as a rework?

sheepherder · 06-10-2011, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Check out the Cyrillic alphabet. The "5" with its little ball terminus is also a bit like an Eastern European style. It could be totally bogus or it might be an Eastern European rework of some sort.

...And the 'crown' that looks like a bunch of bananas???...

OK, it's legitimate, and I'm wrong...So, what's the answer to the OP's question "is it comm or mil. is it a 1908 test/accep model?" ???

(I think we can all agree that it is a rework...of one kind or another)

[Edited by postino, who is no expert on anything, and may well be an idiot]

rivieraranch · 06-10-2011, 07:54 AM

[QUOTE=postino;196518]...And the 'crown' that looks like a bunch of bananas???...

Maybe it's the "Banana Republic" variation.

afsocv22 · 06-10-2011, 08:18 AM

ive come to the conclusion that i should stay away from this one.

nukem556 · 06-10-2011, 12:53 PM

Well, I dunno....if you're not looking for a correct collectable, it looks in pretty nice shape...if you could get it for 600-700 bucks it would probably be a fun shooter

mjanway · 06-10-2011, 01:13 PM

Are there 4 more out there?

DavidJayUden · 06-10-2011, 01:42 PM

I'd buy it if the price is right, ie. is it priced as a shooter or as a special, valuable collector item? I don't know what to make of those numbers, as the metal work beneath the bluing appears original to me as far as the degree of polish pre-bluing. The edges are sharp and the front of the frame is certainly flat.
Anyway, if it is priced as a shooter who cares?
dju

George Anderson · 06-10-2011, 03:14 PM

The "GERMANY" stamping appears to be beneath the bluing... reblue?
It has a stock lug...'08 test?
"GERMANY" stamp was replaced by "MADE IN GERMANY" in the twenties...East German rework?
The Proof has a poor attempt at a crown and is backward...Stamped from the inside?

Michael Zeleny · 06-11-2011, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Check out the Cyrillic alphabet. The "5" with its little ball terminus is also a bit like an Eastern European style. It could be totally bogus or it might be an Eastern European rework of some sort.

Well said, Ron. My money is on this being the third and final specimen in the elusive DWM series of Russian contract prototypes, bearing the echt Cyrillic code Й. It remains to complete the most common inscription in the Russian language by locating pistols marked with Х and У.

sheepherder · 06-11-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

My money is on this being the third and final specimen in the elusive DWM series of Russian contract prototypes, bearing the echt Cyrillic code Й. It remains to complete the most common inscription in the Russian language by locating pistols marked with Х and У.

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Buy it, quick!!!

afsocv22 · 06-11-2011, 09:28 AM

try 1,000.00 :\

sheepherder · 06-11-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by afsocv22

try 1,000.00 :\

Maybe about $300 high for a shooter...in 2011...this time next year, we may be saying a grand is a reasonable price...for a shooter...

06-09-2011, 08:32 PM	#1
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06-11-2011, 09:28 AM	#19
afsocv22 User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 15 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	try 1,000.00 :\ __________________ D.S. AFSOC 801st 8AMU CV-22

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	No!...Wait!..Isn't this the long ilusive "Bizzaro World" contract? where major markings are backward?

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	"Testing your patience", perhaps?

06-10-2011, 06:46 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Interesting idea, The "Germany" import stamp right over the chamber would indicate, however, that it was exported at some point. Could this gun have possibly ended up in Eastern Europe as a rework?

06-10-2011, 07:54 AM	#11
rivieraranch User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 101 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	[QUOTE=postino;196518]...And the 'crown' that looks like a bunch of bananas???... Maybe it's the "Banana Republic" variation.

06-10-2011, 12:53 PM	#13
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Well, I dunno....if you're not looking for a correct collectable, it looks in pretty nice shape...if you could get it for 600-700 bucks it would probably be a fun shooter

06-10-2011, 01:13 PM	#14
mjanway User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 54 Thanks: 31 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Are there 4 more out there?

06-10-2011, 01:42 PM	#15
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'd buy it if the price is right, ie. is it priced as a shooter or as a special, valuable collector item? I don't know what to make of those numbers, as the metal work beneath the bluing appears original to me as far as the degree of polish pre-bluing. The edges are sharp and the front of the frame is certainly flat. Anyway, if it is priced as a shooter who cares? dju

06-10-2011, 03:14 PM	#16
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	The "GERMANY" stamping appears to be beneath the bluing... reblue? It has a stock lug...'08 test? "GERMANY" stamp was replaced by "MADE IN GERMANY" in the twenties...East German rework? The Proof has a poor attempt at a crown and is backward...Stamped from the inside?