mystery hybrid Luger

Pawel · 07-05-2021, 12:55 PM

Hello,

Recently purchased Luger had intriguing SNs... and many parts with gothic S... Any idea what i got is much appreciated.

Thanks,

G.T. · 07-05-2021, 03:20 PM

the toggle train was once part of a very rare "K" date... the rest, who knows.. Later Mauser receiver and probably frame, i dunno?...

...best, GT

Edward Tinker · 07-05-2021, 03:35 PM

GT, not the first of the year S/42?

If it was 'made' up, likely done a while ago, although it would only take a year or two to look 'original' like this?

spangy · 07-05-2021, 04:27 PM

Don't we wish this gun could talk ??

In spite of this Luger's rugged appearance, or perhaps because of it, I find myself extremely attracted to this gun and wish that I owned it. Well done Pawel, nice score.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-05-2021, 05:56 PM

Only the first of the K dates had the Gothic Script S. Could these parts be be from the first K date ever made? #1?

1933 FORD NUT · 07-05-2021, 07:14 PM

I would guess a rework of some type . Frame and reseiver-barrel are serial 1 also . I would look close at any proofs or rework marks . Lots of " S " marked parts and like already mentioned that is early " K " date only . VERY INTERESTING gun !!!

tharpo · 07-06-2021, 02:05 AM

There appears to be a "42" on the underside of the barrel. So that might be a renumbered replacement part.

Major Tom · 07-06-2021, 07:24 AM

That is the crudiest pistol I've ever seen!

lugerholsterrepair · 07-06-2021, 11:30 AM

I had a LOT worse a few years ago! I had to beat it apart with a hard rubber mallet. I wire wheeled it down to bright metal and left it that way. Still a great shooter!

sheepherder · 07-06-2021, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I had a LOT worse a few years ago! I had to beat it apart with a hard rubber mallet. I wire wheeled it down to bright metal and left it that way. Still a great shooter!

Perhaps we should have a "Grungiest Luger" thread/contest...

The Luger pictured above would have my vote...

Ron Wood · 07-06-2021, 12:29 PM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-06-2021, 12:45 PM

History is often times hard to understand through the grunge available many years after. But here is a fascinating example IMO. PARTS of it almost have to be from the first ever K date made by Mauser. No one else is interested in this possibility?

hayhugh · 07-06-2021, 12:47 PM

What else would the (1) one stand for?

lugerholsterrepair · 07-06-2021, 01:06 PM

Nothing else but serial #1. ? Or I guess there COULD be some other combinations? #101 but then it would be #01? Or #11? But then with only a 2 number serial seems the Germans might use both numbers? Unfortunately I am ignorant of how very short serials were placed? Someone on here knows though.
Dave? Ron? Greg? Ed?

OK! Looks closer, the frame front is plainly marked in the center 1! It is without doubt serial #1. There must be a script Gothic S on the trigger guard..want to see it but it's hard to make out.

Barrel underside shows #1 with a ghost number under it? Possibly a used DWM barrel salvaged by Mauser? Bolt with a #1 too. Back of the toggle train #1

Paul, can you remove the firing pin so we can see what's there?

Pawel · 07-06-2021, 08:45 PM

couple more pics

Heinz · 07-06-2021, 10:19 PM

strange with all that rust and corrosion all of the stamps are clear. Hmmm

cirelaw · 07-06-2021, 11:00 PM

Needs a lot of TLC~

Dubar · 07-07-2021, 05:22 AM

Can we see a photo of the entire pistol put together?

Number 1 or not I'd be giving it a complete striping of the finish and make it purty!

mrerick · 07-07-2021, 09:07 AM

Was this pistol plated, or is that a reflective blued surface where it isn't damaged?

Look closely at the front of the frame, and you'll see that the receiver is slightly proud of the frame surface. That often indicates something has been ground and renumbered.

A 1940 dated receiver would not have gothic "S" marked parts from the factory.

The widespread corrosion of this depth makes me wonder if this was dug from the ground? If not, it must have been in a humid environment for years - or intentionally corroded.

Finally, look closely at the proof acceptance eagle on the receiver.

Pawel · 07-07-2021, 12:48 PM

more pics
again i think it is a 1934 K date with 1940 the rest of the parts...

07-05-2021, 03:20 PM	#2
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,485 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,581 Times in 989 Posts	looks like the toggle train was once part of a very rare "K" date... the rest, who knows.. Later Mauser receiver and probably frame, i dunno?... ...best, GT

07-05-2021, 04:27 PM	#4
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 607 Thanks: 2,984 Thanked 1,047 Times in 422 Posts	Don't we wish this gun could talk ?? In spite of this Luger's rugged appearance, or perhaps because of it, I find myself extremely attracted to this gun and wish that I owned it. Well done Pawel, nice score. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

07-05-2021, 05:56 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Only the first of the K dates had the Gothic Script S. Could these parts be be from the first K date ever made? #1? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-06-2021, 07:24 AM	#8
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	That is the crudiest pistol I've ever seen! __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

07-06-2021, 11:30 AM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	I had a LOT worse a few years ago! I had to beat it apart with a hard rubber mallet. I wire wheeled it down to bright metal and left it that way. Still a great shooter! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-05-2021, 12:55 PM	#1
Pawel New User Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts	mystery hybrid Luger Hello, Recently purchased Luger had intriguing SNs... and many parts with gothic S... Any idea what i got is much appreciated. Thanks, Attached Thumbnails

07-05-2021, 03:35 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	GT, not the first of the year S/42? If it was 'made' up, likely done a while ago, although it would only take a year or two to look 'original' like this?

07-05-2021, 07:14 PM	#6
1933 FORD NUT User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WI Posts: 88 Thanks: 3 Thanked 69 Times in 36 Posts	I would guess a rework of some type . Frame and reseiver-barrel are serial 1 also . I would look close at any proofs or rework marks . Lots of " S " marked parts and like already mentioned that is early " K " date only . VERY INTERESTING gun !!!

07-06-2021, 02:05 AM	#7
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	There appears to be a "42" on the underside of the barrel. So that might be a renumbered replacement part.

07-06-2021, 12:29 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-06-2021, 12:45 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	History is often times hard to understand through the grunge available many years after. But here is a fascinating example IMO. PARTS of it almost have to be from the first ever K date made by Mauser. No one else is interested in this possibility? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-06-2021, 12:47 PM	#13
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 848 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	What else would the (1) one stand for?

07-06-2021, 01:06 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Nothing else but serial #1. ? Or I guess there COULD be some other combinations? #101 but then it would be #01? Or #11? But then with only a 2 number serial seems the Germans might use both numbers? Unfortunately I am ignorant of how very short serials were placed? Someone on here knows though. Dave? Ron? Greg? Ed? OK! Looks closer, the frame front is plainly marked in the center 1! It is without doubt serial #1. There must be a script Gothic S on the trigger guard..want to see it but it's hard to make out. Barrel underside shows #1 with a ghost number under it? Possibly a used DWM barrel salvaged by Mauser? Bolt with a #1 too. Back of the toggle train #1 Paul, can you remove the firing pin so we can see what's there? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-06-2021, 08:45 PM	#15
Pawel New User Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts	couple more pics Attached Thumbnails

07-06-2021, 10:19 PM	#16
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	strange with all that rust and corrosion all of the stamps are clear. Hmmm

07-06-2021, 11:00 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Needs a lot of TLC~

07-07-2021, 05:22 AM	#18
Dubar User Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Virginia Posts: 34 Thanks: 25 Thanked 29 Times in 14 Posts	Can we see a photo of the entire pistol put together? Number 1 or not I'd be giving it a complete striping of the finish and make it purty!

07-07-2021, 09:07 AM	#19
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Was this pistol plated, or is that a reflective blued surface where it isn't damaged? Look closely at the front of the frame, and you'll see that the receiver is slightly proud of the frame surface. That often indicates something has been ground and renumbered. A 1940 dated receiver would not have gothic "S" marked parts from the factory. The widespread corrosion of this depth makes me wonder if this was dug from the ground? If not, it must have been in a humid environment for years - or intentionally corroded. Finally, look closely at the proof acceptance eagle on the receiver. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-07-2021, 12:48 PM	#20
Pawel New User Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts	more pics again i think it is a 1934 K date with 1940 the rest of the parts... Attached Thumbnails