Merry Christmas 1914 DWM

Good-Day · 12-24-2019, 10:43 AM

Good Morning All,

First of all Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!

I swung into one of our local shops last week and lucked into this Consignment
( I must have been good this year )

1914 DWM
Best Part, to me, the Mag matches to the Pistol ( My First )
I tried getting a decent pic of it, the number and letter are worn but they do match

The Toggle Pin and Firing Pin are not serialized???
Is this normal for these or perhaps replaced?
All the other numbered Parts do Match

Overall she's in decent shape with honest wear, I can only hope to look this good at 105 years old

I've tried doing some research for info and value but finding it hard to find much on 1914's

Your thoughts, and opinions are appreciated

If you would like a specific or additional images let me know

Sorry i'm not a Photographer

Ron Wood · 12-24-2019, 03:21 PM

That is indeed a lucky find! Well done! (and Merry Christmas back at you)
Ron

drbuster · 12-24-2019, 03:53 PM

According to Jan Still's Imperial Lugers, approximately 35,000 were produced, reported observed serial range #97 to #3553c.

Sergio Natali · 12-25-2019, 09:55 AM

Very nice piece, congrats. and Merry Christmas back at you.

Good-Day · 12-25-2019, 10:27 AM

Thank You!

Production of 35,000 is pretty low so I would assume not many survivors out there.
Probably explains why i'm not finding much information on them and values.

As far as the Firing Pin and Toggle Pin, other Lugers I have seen both are Serialized.
I'm assuming they have been replaced.
I need to get back into it for a good cleaning, and when I do i'll get a better light and look for a number again.

As the Pistol was on Consignment and not owned by the Shop I could not Field Strip it before buying it. Although with the Matching Mag I probably still would have brought it home.

Thanks Again for the kind words

Norme · 12-25-2019, 10:42 AM

Hi Jose,
The firing pins of 1914 DWM's were numbered, the toggle pins were unnumbered.
Norm

George Anderson · 12-25-2019, 10:43 AM

Imperial toggle pins were never serialized.

Good-Day · 12-25-2019, 02:36 PM

Well Cool

Thanks for the additional info

i'll get a better look at the Firing Pin when I get back into it for a cleaning.

Pamato · 12-29-2019, 05:10 PM

Hello all new to this forum I have a krieghoff S code late
Trying to find someone on east coast to give me value of this peice

DavidJayUden · 12-29-2019, 09:46 PM

Start your own thread, and post lots of photos showing the numbers, markings, etc.
dju

Good-Day · 01-04-2020, 08:25 PM

Well got her all cleaned up

Barrel has some frosting but the rifling is still strong

and yup the Firing Pin is not numbered

I tried looking around to see if this is the correct pin but not finding much on how to identify what I should be looking for

The Hold Open Spring was gone and a replacement has been ordered ( not thinking that i'll be shooting this one )

I'll be keeping an eye out for a "60" Numbered Pin
Any tips of where I should look I've checked Gunbroker, Ebay and a couple of the sights that come up from Google Searches

Thanks All!!!!!

Here's the Pin

DavidJayUden · 01-04-2020, 10:43 PM

Our lugerdoc is a good source, and just spreading the word here will help greatly.

George Anderson · 01-05-2020, 09:49 AM

I have a firing pin numbered 60 but it's an Erfurt.

Good-Day · 01-05-2020, 10:02 AM

Thanks Guys,

I sent Lugerdoc a PM asking if he could help

Is there a difference between the Erfurt and DWM Pins?

I have not had any luck finding information on how to distinguish them from each other

George Anderson · 01-05-2020, 10:29 AM

An Erfurt firing pin has both the serial number and an Erfurt acceptance stamp.

Thor · 01-07-2020, 04:44 PM

Congrats George! Sweet Luger

Good-Day · 01-09-2020, 08:43 PM

Thank You

I'm Pretty excited about it

"Almost" my first all matching, and an earlier production to boot

I've been poking around for a "60" Numbered Firing Pin while it wont fully be original it's still worth the hunt for me gives me something to do with my already limited spare time

12-24-2019, 10:43 AM	#1
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 96 Thanks: 81 Thanked 100 Times in 32 Posts	Merry Christmas 1914 DWM Good Morning All, First of all Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!! I swung into one of our local shops last week and lucked into this Consignment ( I must have been good this year ) 1914 DWM Best Part, to me, the Mag matches to the Pistol ( My First ) I tried getting a decent pic of it, the number and letter are worn but they do match The Toggle Pin and Firing Pin are not serialized??? Is this normal for these or perhaps replaced? All the other numbered Parts do Match Overall she's in decent shape with honest wear, I can only hope to look this good at 105 years old I've tried doing some research for info and value but finding it hard to find much on 1914's Your thoughts, and opinions are appreciated If you would like a specific or additional images let me know Sorry i'm not a Photographer Attached Thumbnails

12-24-2019, 03:21 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	That is indeed a lucky find! Well done! (and Merry Christmas back at you) Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-25-2019, 09:55 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Very nice piece, congrats. and Merry Christmas back at you. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-04-2020, 08:25 PM	#11
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 96 Thanks: 81 Thanked 100 Times in 32 Posts	1914 dwm Well got her all cleaned up Barrel has some frosting but the rifling is still strong and yup the Firing Pin is not numbered I tried looking around to see if this is the correct pin but not finding much on how to identify what I should be looking for The Hold Open Spring was gone and a replacement has been ordered ( not thinking that i'll be shooting this one ) I'll be keeping an eye out for a "60" Numbered Pin Any tips of where I should look I've checked Gunbroker, Ebay and a couple of the sights that come up from Google Searches Thanks All!!!!! Here's the Pin Attached Thumbnails

01-07-2020, 04:44 PM	#16
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Congrats George! Sweet Luger __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-24-2019, 03:53 PM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	According to Jan Still's Imperial Lugers, approximately 35,000 were produced, reported observed serial range #97 to #3553c.

12-25-2019, 10:27 AM	#5
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 96 Thanks: 81 Thanked 100 Times in 32 Posts	Thank You! Production of 35,000 is pretty low so I would assume not many survivors out there. Probably explains why i'm not finding much information on them and values. As far as the Firing Pin and Toggle Pin, other Lugers I have seen both are Serialized. I'm assuming they have been replaced. I need to get back into it for a good cleaning, and when I do i'll get a better light and look for a number again. As the Pistol was on Consignment and not owned by the Shop I could not Field Strip it before buying it. Although with the Matching Mag I probably still would have brought it home. Thanks Again for the kind words

12-25-2019, 10:42 AM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Jose, The firing pins of 1914 DWM's were numbered, the toggle pins were unnumbered. Norm

12-25-2019, 10:43 AM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Imperial toggle pins were never serialized.

12-25-2019, 02:36 PM	#8
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 96 Thanks: 81 Thanked 100 Times in 32 Posts	Well Cool Thanks for the additional info i'll get a better look at the Firing Pin when I get back into it for a cleaning.

12-29-2019, 05:10 PM	#9
Pamato New User Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello all new to this forum I have a krieghoff S code late Trying to find someone on east coast to give me value of this peice

12-29-2019, 09:46 PM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Start your own thread, and post lots of photos showing the numbers, markings, etc. dju

01-04-2020, 10:43 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Our lugerdoc is a good source, and just spreading the word here will help greatly.

01-05-2020, 09:49 AM	#13
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I have a firing pin numbered 60 but it's an Erfurt.

01-05-2020, 10:02 AM	#14
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 96 Thanks: 81 Thanked 100 Times in 32 Posts	Thanks Guys, I sent Lugerdoc a PM asking if he could help Is there a difference between the Erfurt and DWM Pins? I have not had any luck finding information on how to distinguish them from each other

01-05-2020, 10:29 AM	#15
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	An Erfurt firing pin has both the serial number and an Erfurt acceptance stamp.

01-09-2020, 08:43 PM	#17
Good-Day User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Washington State Posts: 96 Thanks: 81 Thanked 100 Times in 32 Posts	Thank You I'm Pretty excited about it "Almost" my first all matching, and an earlier production to boot I've been poking around for a "60" Numbered Firing Pin while it wont fully be original it's still worth the hunt for me gives me something to do with my already limited spare time