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Unread 05-22-2016, 10:29 AM   #1
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Default DWM or Erfurt Magazines

Is there a difference?
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The first two appear to be numbered factory replacements and the others are also Erfurt but in the standard numbering pattern.
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Were all DWM unmarked?
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Yes,
there are different "Erfurts", early ones- before 1916 approx.- had two crown/letter inspection marks, as do the two on the left. Later one crown/letter sufficed.

I seriously doubt the two on the left are "replacements".

DWM commercial mags were not numbered.
DWM military mags were numbered, including, suffix, with a "+" on the spare mag.

There are exceptions of course.

Replacement mags get really complicated really quickly, they can have all sorts of combinations.
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I just noticed this small mark on this otherwise unmarked mag! I do own a Test Luger and wondered if they are related~
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Don't forget the small "indent" on the side of the magazines. DWM produced a "D" shaped indent, while Erfurt's was more of a straight bar.
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Eric -

That looks like it's a "flaming bomb" magazine, normally associated with DWM Old Model Commercial Lugers. Here's a thread where several were shown.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...686#post287686
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Tks! My only other early commercial is my 1902 fat barrel which has its distinctive 9mm/cal.~
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Don't forget the small "indent" on the side of the magazines. DWM produced a "D" shaped indent, while Erfurt's was more of a straight bar.
DWM mags have a trapezoidal indent like the Erfurts up until mid 1911.
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George, is this what you are referring to~~
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No Eric, the little crimp on either side of the tube near the mouth.
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All Erfurt replacements I've had have had two proofs on the base with no serial number. That these could have been used to supplement other supplies in production would not be unlikely.
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It seems they all have little crimps on either side close to the mouth~
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Eric, the third from the left and fifth from the left have trapezoidal crimps and are either early DWMs or Erfurts.
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All Erfurt replacements I've had have had two proofs on the base with no serial number. That these could have been used to supplement other supplies in production would not be unlikely.
True early Erfurt mags were unnumbered with two acceptance stamps but all pre 1916 issue mags were numbered with two acceptance stamps. See the photos below. The spare with this rig was an unnumbered stamped mag.
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Perfect!!!
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Nice pictures! The last Erfurt I had was a 1914 artillery and it didn't last long. Otherwise, I'm more of a DWM fan.
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The last Erfurt I had was a 1914 artillery which I traded, being more of a DWM fan. I knew it was scarce but the bore condition left a lot to be desired. Have never heard that pre-1916 Erfurt mags were unnumbered before.
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The last Erfurt I had was a 1914 artillery which I traded, being more of a DWM fan. I knew it was scarce but the bore condition left a lot to be desired. Have never heard that pre-1916 Erfurt mags were unnumbered before.
All military contract Lugers came with two serial numbered mags with the exception of Navise and artilleries. The Navies with three mags and the artilleries with perhaps as many as seven serial numbered mags.
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