dwm police 1935 rework

hank678417 · 01-04-2008, 06:38 PM

I have in my collection a luger that i have had since 1966 and a friend
of mine had for 8 years before that. This luger has a DWM toggle,
intertwined tp on barrel,Simpson 6 and S on rear toggle.Does anyone
have or seen a luger like this? pictures will be posted later. Its not
for sale i just want to know if there is another one out there?
The S on the rear toggle is what i don't get.It also has a sear safety
and two matching magazines the pictures will show them. please help.

SteveM · 01-04-2008, 06:58 PM

Do all numbers match? What proof/acceptance stamps are on the right side of pistol?

Edward Tinker · 01-04-2008, 07:01 PM

Henry, I am not sure what I can add to what I emailed you (see below) and perhaps others have a better guess than me.

Quote:

1. A 19xx (year it was first made) by DWM, that was reworked in the Weimar era by the Berlin Police Armory (with Simson supplied parts) around 1935.
2. It has a Sear Safety, which may very well have been put onto the luger at the same time that it received the sear safety.
3. If there are no unit markings on the front of the grip strap, it is hard to know who this was issued too, but definitely a luger that served in WW1, then the Weimar era (although there is speculation that many were placed into storage until it was needed), and then reworked by the Berlin Police Armory and issued, most likely in the Berlin area and served through WW2.

Here are some of Henry's pictures;

The S looks like some "S" you see on Simson parts, to include magazines like this one;

Ed's magazine

Ed

hank678417 · 01-04-2008, 07:03 PM

All of the numbers match. the pictures will show the proofs

MFC · 01-05-2008, 02:22 AM

Henry,
I don't know if it can be established but, as for as you know, are the case and accessories original to the Luger? Does anyone know if Simson ever sold Lugers to the commercial market? Maybe a vet put his trophy in this case.
Mike C.

Edward Tinker · 01-05-2008, 02:33 AM

Simson's were made just for the military and police. I am starting to beleive that magazines, and maybe some other items were made for the commericial market, but lugers were never sold that way. I've looked for proof either way, and there are no catelogs that show simson lugers being sold commerically...

Ed

hank678417 · 01-05-2008, 10:28 AM

The case is home made i made the case about 1968 ,but the luger,and
magazines,cleaning rod,take down tool,pin punch are all original they
came in a brown leather holster which was sold by the person that had
the luger before me.
henry

MFC · 01-06-2008, 02:21 AM

Henry,
Very nice work on the case. It would be well worth it to at least try to track down that holster, especially if it is numbered to the gun. It could almost double the value as a complete rig.
I think I can make out the Simson proof on the loading tool. Is the cleaning rod also proofed? Did Simson make cleaning rods or rework/refinish them? It looks exactly like an early commercial oiler top cleaning rod.
Mike C.

Rod WMG · 01-06-2008, 03:22 AM

Henry, I second the comments about the nice case. You do good work.

Lugerdoc · 01-06-2008, 08:57 AM

What is the chamber date, if any? If only the barrel and rear toggle link are Simson proofed and matching to the rest of the pistol, I would guess that this is a Weimar era rework for the police. TH

hank678417 · 01-06-2008, 07:04 PM

the chamber date is 1915 there is a proof mark on the bottom of the
barrel . I beleive i emailed Ed a picture of it ,maybe??? The holster would
be impossible to track down it has been 41 years ago that i bought the
gun from a friend,and he sold the holster.He has since passed away.
Its the S on the rear toggle i don't get maybe someone got happy with
the S stamp.

henry

01-04-2008, 06:38 PM	#1
hank678417 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	dwm police 1935 rework I have in my collection a luger that i have had since 1966 and a friend of mine had for 8 years before that. This luger has a DWM toggle, intertwined tp on barrel,Simpson 6 and S on rear toggle.Does anyone have or seen a luger like this? pictures will be posted later. Its not for sale i just want to know if there is another one out there? The S on the rear toggle is what i don't get.It also has a sear safety and two matching magazines the pictures will show them. please help.

01-05-2008, 02:22 AM	#5
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Henry, I don't know if it can be established but, as for as you know, are the case and accessories original to the Luger? Does anyone know if Simson ever sold Lugers to the commercial market? Maybe a vet put his trophy in this case. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

01-05-2008, 02:33 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Simson's were made just for the military and police. I am starting to beleive that magazines, and maybe some other items were made for the commericial market, but lugers were never sold that way. I've looked for proof either way, and there are no catelogs that show simson lugers being sold commerically... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-06-2008, 02:21 AM	#8
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Henry, Very nice work on the case. It would be well worth it to at least try to track down that holster, especially if it is numbered to the gun. It could almost double the value as a complete rig. I think I can make out the Simson proof on the loading tool. Is the cleaning rod also proofed? Did Simson make cleaning rods or rework/refinish them? It looks exactly like an early commercial oiler top cleaning rod. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

01-06-2008, 08:57 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	What is the chamber date, if any? If only the barrel and rear toggle link are Simson proofed and matching to the rest of the pistol, I would guess that this is a Weimar era rework for the police. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-04-2008, 06:58 PM	#2
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Do all numbers match? What proof/acceptance stamps are on the right side of pistol?

01-04-2008, 07:03 PM	#4
hank678417 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	All of the numbers match. the pictures will show the proofs

01-05-2008, 10:28 AM	#7
hank678417 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The case is home made i made the case about 1968 ,but the luger,and magazines,cleaning rod,take down tool,pin punch are all original they came in a brown leather holster which was sold by the person that had the luger before me. henry

01-06-2008, 03:22 AM	#9
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Henry, I second the comments about the nice case. You do good work.

01-06-2008, 07:04 PM	#11
hank678417 User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	the chamber date is 1915 there is a proof mark on the bottom of the barrel . I beleive i emailed Ed a picture of it ,maybe??? The holster would be impossible to track down it has been 41 years ago that i bought the gun from a friend,and he sold the holster.He has since passed away. Its the S on the rear toggle i don't get maybe someone got happy with the S stamp. henry