TLSS Outgoing

Thor · 07-08-2002, 07:10 PM

Don Leverty's 1917 DWM was test fired today (scary accurate!!) and shipped today! Don, look for it tomorrow, July 9th. Cheers!!!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Luke · 07-09-2002, 09:47 AM

Ted,
Can you give an opinion about what makes some Lugers more accurate than others?
Bore Condition? Tightness of frame rails on receiver? Trigger characteristics? All of the above?
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Thor · 07-09-2002, 09:57 AM

My opinion is BORE condition has less of an influence than most would think. The basic design of the Luger contributes to a very accurate platform. The things that I have noticed is a tight toggle to receiver fit seems to have the most influence as this maintains the alignment of the front and rear sights. The trigger pull is not really an issue if the shooter has good skills and can maintain the sight alignment until firing pin release. Lugers have long mushy triggers which really foil good shooting by some folks used to a crisp modern day gun's trigger. If they have any flinch at all when releasing the round, a Luger will accenuate this where a modern day gun is a little more forgiving. If you can move the rear toggle side to side much when the gun is assembled, accuracy will probably suffer. The other thing that kills accuracy is not being able to see the sights. I am lucky in that I can see the sights when firing for accuracy. I use a seated position with my progressive bifocals I can move my head until I see a very clear front sight, that helps a bunch. When I walk back up to my target and see groups like this, I have to shake my head in amazement that a gun this old and with this short a barrel can shoot so good!

wterrell · 07-09-2002, 09:03 PM

Luke,

Hotter loads, will sometimes increase repeatability. Strap the gun solidly so that the recoil will not move the frame and see what the grouping becomes.

Thor · 07-18-2002, 10:03 PM

Bill Stanley's Hamilton Rifle parts, Mark Castel's Black Widow Luger will both be shipped tomorrow! John Sabato's grips were mailed today!!! <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" />

BILL · 07-21-2002, 02:41 AM

Man, I love seeing my Luger target shown whenever Ted gets asked a question about Luger accuracy!!
He is so modest that he doesn't ever claim that his marksmanship has a lot to do with it.
Lugers are accurate by design, like Ted says. It is one solid lock-up when it fires and if you are holding on target it will put the bullet there. Everytime I open the case that American Eagle is in the first thing I do is look at the test target. And then..I fondle the pistol. All I can say is that it looks as good as it shoots and it has the great seal of the United States of America on it! (C'mon, what else can you ask for?) [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

Frank · 07-21-2002, 10:57 AM

Bill, the answer is obvious!! TWO of them <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Thor · 07-23-2002, 08:32 PM

SHIPPING TOMORROW TO NEW OWNERS OR TO RETURN TO OWNERS:1917 Erfurt Luger-Paul VanGinhoven, 1920 Commercial Luger-Bill Sentilles, 1918 Erfurt Luger-Ray McGrevin, byf 44 P.38-Barrie Coffman, 1938 S/42 Plum Luger-Jim Elson and possibly this week a Post War P.38 to Sam Teeters. Got two more to do for ol Hugh Clark, the guy that feeds Lone Star beer to Armadillos (I think he is baiting them) lol
My Black Widow was shipped to Mark Castel last week and the byf Dual Tone P.38 was shipped to Lonnie Zimmerman then too.

Thor · 08-13-2002, 11:20 PM

Shipping Wednesday August 13 for delivery on August 14. Hugh Clark's Artillery Luger, Doug George 1918 Efurt Police Luger, Greg Kilburn's 1913 Efurt Luger, Steve Lempitski's PreWar PPK. Thanks Guys! <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Doug G. · 08-13-2002, 11:57 PM

Ted, I can't wait to see it! Now I really have to clean the grips up! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hugh · 08-14-2002, 12:26 AM

GOODY <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> GOODY <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> GOODY <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

Doug, Is this the one the grips go on?

Greg · 08-14-2002, 08:24 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thor:
[QB]Shipping Wednesday August 13 for delivery on August 14.

Ted,

Did you mean shipping Wednesday August 14 for delivery on August 15?????

Regardless, can't wait to see the Erfurt!!!

Greg

<img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

Doug G. · 08-14-2002, 09:55 AM

Hugh, no I decided not to mess with the original grips to the Erfurt. They are too nice and I think that I will only clean them up.

Greg · 08-14-2002, 11:14 AM

Hugh,

Your grips went on my Erfurt, and judging from the pictures Ted sent to me, they look great!

Thanks!

<img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" />

Thor · 08-14-2002, 11:14 AM

oops, yes of course. The grips you did Hugh we fitted on Greg Kilburns Erfurt.

Thor · 09-03-2002, 11:34 AM

Steve Zigman's 1918 Erfurt. The bad looking spots in the after pic is just areas, I didnt get gun oil on. They are not blemishes. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Edward Tinker · 09-03-2002, 12:19 PM

Nice to see the difference Thor!

Very nice.

Thor · 09-23-2002, 09:35 PM

Robert Jenning's 1916 DWM. SWEET!! <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" />

Thor · 11-26-2002, 11:44 AM

Shipped out to be delivered Nov 26 & 27 are Charlie Nutley's 1921 DWM Weimar Luger, Ted Stefani's 1940/42 Mauser Luger, and Hugh's 1900 Commercial Luger. Send me more guys!!! Please send me more!!

markm3 · 11-26-2002, 11:54 AM

Patience, Ted. As soon as I can rework my budget, you'll be getting my 41/42 for the same treatment the Erfurt Artillery got. I swear the Erfurt shoots so much better that I can't resist seeing how the Mauser will look and shoot once you've finished with it.

07-08-2002, 07:10 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	TLSS Outgoing Don Leverty's 1917 DWM was test fired today (scary accurate!!) and shipped today! Don, look for it tomorrow, July 9th. Cheers!!!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-09-2002, 09:47 AM	#2
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Ted, Can you give an opinion about what makes some Lugers more accurate than others? Bore Condition? Tightness of frame rails on receiver? Trigger characteristics? All of the above? [img]confused.gif[/img] __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

07-09-2002, 09:57 AM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	My opinion is BORE condition has less of an influence than most would think. The basic design of the Luger contributes to a very accurate platform. The things that I have noticed is a tight toggle to receiver fit seems to have the most influence as this maintains the alignment of the front and rear sights. The trigger pull is not really an issue if the shooter has good skills and can maintain the sight alignment until firing pin release. Lugers have long mushy triggers which really foil good shooting by some folks used to a crisp modern day gun's trigger. If they have any flinch at all when releasing the round, a Luger will accenuate this where a modern day gun is a little more forgiving. If you can move the rear toggle side to side much when the gun is assembled, accuracy will probably suffer. The other thing that kills accuracy is not being able to see the sights. I am lucky in that I can see the sights when firing for accuracy. I use a seated position with my progressive bifocals I can move my head until I see a very clear front sight, that helps a bunch. When I walk back up to my target and see groups like this, I have to shake my head in amazement that a gun this old and with this short a barrel can shoot so good! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-09-2002, 09:03 PM	#4
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Luke, Hotter loads, will sometimes increase repeatability. Strap the gun solidly so that the recoil will not move the frame and see what the grouping becomes. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

07-18-2002, 10:03 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Bill Stanley's Hamilton Rifle parts, Mark Castel's Black Widow Luger will both be shipped tomorrow! John Sabato's grips were mailed today!!! <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-21-2002, 02:41 AM	#6
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Man, I love seeing my Luger target shown whenever Ted gets asked a question about Luger accuracy!! He is so modest that he doesn't ever claim that his marksmanship has a lot to do with it. Lugers are accurate by design, like Ted says. It is one solid lock-up when it fires and if you are holding on target it will put the bullet there. Everytime I open the case that American Eagle is in the first thing I do is look at the test target. And then..I fondle the pistol. All I can say is that it looks as good as it shoots and it has the great seal of the United States of America on it! (C'mon, what else can you ask for?) [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ *"Take me to your Luger!"*

07-21-2002, 10:57 AM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Bill, the answer is obvious!! TWO of them <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

07-23-2002, 08:32 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	SHIPPING TOMORROW TO NEW OWNERS OR TO RETURN TO OWNERS:1917 Erfurt Luger-Paul VanGinhoven, 1920 Commercial Luger-Bill Sentilles, 1918 Erfurt Luger-Ray McGrevin, byf 44 P.38-Barrie Coffman, 1938 S/42 Plum Luger-Jim Elson and possibly this week a Post War P.38 to Sam Teeters. Got two more to do for ol Hugh Clark, the guy that feeds Lone Star beer to Armadillos (I think he is baiting them) lol My Black Widow was shipped to Mark Castel last week and the byf Dual Tone P.38 was shipped to Lonnie Zimmerman then too. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-13-2002, 11:20 PM	#9
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Shipping Wednesday August 13 for delivery on August 14. Hugh Clark's Artillery Luger, Doug George 1918 Efurt Police Luger, Greg Kilburn's 1913 Efurt Luger, Steve Lempitski's PreWar PPK. Thanks Guys! <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-13-2002, 11:57 PM	#10
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Ted, I can't wait to see it! Now I really have to clean the grips up! [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

08-14-2002, 12:26 AM	#11
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	GOODY <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> GOODY <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> GOODY <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> Doug, Is this the one the grips go on? __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-14-2002, 08:24 AM	#12
Greg User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thor: [QB]Shipping Wednesday August 13 for delivery on August 14. Ted, Did you mean shipping Wednesday August 14 for delivery on August 15????? Regardless, can't wait to see the Erfurt!!! Greg <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

08-14-2002, 09:55 AM	#13
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Hugh, no I decided not to mess with the original grips to the Erfurt. They are too nice and I think that I will only clean them up. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

08-14-2002, 11:14 AM	#14
Greg User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hugh, Your grips went on my Erfurt, and judging from the pictures Ted sent to me, they look great! Thanks! <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" />

09-03-2002, 11:34 AM	#16
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Steve Zigman's 1918 Erfurt. The bad looking spots in the after pic is just areas, I didnt get gun oil on. They are not blemishes. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-03-2002, 12:19 PM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Nice to see the difference Thor! Very nice. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-23-2002, 09:35 PM	#18
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Robert Jenning's 1916 DWM. SWEET!! <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-26-2002, 11:44 AM	#19
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Shipped out to be delivered Nov 26 & 27 are Charlie Nutley's 1921 DWM Weimar Luger, Ted Stefani's 1940/42 Mauser Luger, and Hugh's 1900 Commercial Luger. Send me more guys!!! Please send me more!! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-26-2002, 11:54 AM	#20
markm3 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Patience, Ted. As soon as I can rework my budget, you'll be getting my 41/42 for the same treatment the Erfurt Artillery got. I swear the Erfurt shoots so much better that I can't resist seeing how the Mauser will look and shoot once you've finished with it. __________________ markm3