LugerForum Discussion Forums my profile | register | faq | search
upload photo | donate | calendar

Go Back   LugerForum Discussion Forums > Luger Discussion Forums > New Collectors Forum

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 11-07-2015, 06:35 PM   #1
mfelzien
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Berkeley CA
Posts: 12
Thanks: 35
Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts
Default DWM 1918 M. Felzien

Greetings everyone,

This is my first post, but I've been lurking around and reading as much as I can before I posted.

I recently purchased a DWM 1918 all matching numbers 8809. The magazine number also matches. I've been enjoying shooting it on the weekends, but I'm feeling horrible guilt as to perhaps it should be in a museum. I also had a question about the British import stamp on the barrel, could someone tell me something about when it was likely stamped, and perhaps some discussion on the testing to 13 ton (what pressure is that in psi? seen several discussions that are all wrong).

I also, have to a concern of the scraping on the back of the gun, what is this from. I have more questions as time goes on, just wanted to say thank you to everyone and post some pictures.

M. Felzien
It's always Oktoberfest somewhere
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image8.jpg
Views:	145
Size:	149.5 KB
ID:	53553  

Click image for larger version

Name:	image6.jpg
Views:	134
Size:	191.2 KB
ID:	53554  

Click image for larger version

Name:	image1.jpeg
Views:	133
Size:	53.9 KB
ID:	53555  

Click image for larger version

Name:	image2.jpg
Views:	136
Size:	50.0 KB
ID:	53556  

Click image for larger version

Name:	image5.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	91.7 KB
ID:	53557  

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2568.jpg
Views:	128
Size:	58.7 KB
ID:	53558  

Click image for larger version

Name:	image9.jpg
Views:	141
Size:	162.2 KB
ID:	53559  

Click image for larger version

Name:	image3.jpg
Views:	117
Size:	80.8 KB
ID:	53560  

Click image for larger version

Name:	image4.jpg
Views:	136
Size:	85.8 KB
ID:	53561  

__________________
It's always Oktoberfest somewhere
mfelzien is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-07-2015, 08:24 PM   #2
wlyon
Lifer 2X
Lifetime Forum
Patron
 
wlyon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Somewhere in Montana
Posts: 2,637
Thanks: 3,175
Thanked 2,562 Times in 956 Posts
Default

It is not a museum quality luger. The British proofs are probably from being captured during the war. The British proofed all or most of these. The mag has been boosted ie numbers changed to match the luger. Still a nice old luger and if all numbers match I for one would not shoot it. These old parts do break and then the value goes way down. Your gun your decision. Some one else will have to respond to the case. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the Forum.
__________________
Bill Lyon
wlyon is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 3 members says Thank You to wlyon for your post:
Unread 11-07-2015, 08:38 PM   #3
alanint
User
 
alanint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Marco Island, Florida
Posts: 4,867
Thanks: 1,685
Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts
Default

That's the first time I have ever seen a "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp. Is that just a trick of light? Oil? or has the bluing been removed?
alanint is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-07-2015, 09:07 PM   #4
mfelzien
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Berkeley CA
Posts: 12
Thanks: 35
Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by alanint View Post
That's the first time I have ever seen a "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp. Is that just a trick of light? Oil? or has the bluing been removed?
I believe it has been altered in the past (bluing removed) to emphasis the lettering (done by a gunsmith). The strawing is good. I will post additional pictures.
__________________
It's always Oktoberfest somewhere
mfelzien is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-07-2015, 09:46 PM   #5
DonVoigt
User
 
DonVoigt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: near Charlotte NC
Posts: 4,681
Thanks: 1,442
Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts
Default

The scraping on the back is not from the pistol functioning, but from some external source-perhaps a holster.

I'd like to see more pictures of the box, and its label, please.
DonVoigt is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to DonVoigt for your post:
Unread 11-07-2015, 10:12 PM   #6
mfelzien
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Berkeley CA
Posts: 12
Thanks: 35
Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wlyon View Post
It is not a museum quality luger. The British proofs are probably from being captured during the war. The British proofed all or most of these. The mag has been boosted ie numbers changed to match the luger. Still a nice old luger and if all numbers match I for one would not shoot it. These old parts do break and then the value goes way down. Your gun your decision. Some one else will have to respond to the case. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the Forum.
Thanks Bill,

I agree on the magazine. It looks like a "6" has been changed to a "0", but the dealer assured me it was original matching. I will be careful with it but I think I will be in the market soon for a mixed-match, and using that would make me feel a bit safer. (I suppose it's hard to just buy one . Thanks.
__________________
It's always Oktoberfest somewhere
mfelzien is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-08-2015, 01:18 AM   #7
ithacaartist
Twice a Lifer
Lifetime Forum
Patron
 
ithacaartist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY
Posts: 3,347
Thanks: 7,292
Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts
Default

Welcome Michael, you've picked up quite early on the addictive nature of Luge-itis!

BTW, the full serial number includes the letter-suffix "i".
__________________
"... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894
ithacaartist is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to ithacaartist for your post:
Unread 11-08-2015, 11:21 AM   #8
DonVoigt
User
 
DonVoigt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: near Charlotte NC
Posts: 4,681
Thanks: 1,442
Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts
Default

I'm trying to read the label on the case, looks like some limited edition "Hans Taucher" related
reproduction.

Can we get a good picture of the label, or does someone already know the origin of the case?
DonVoigt is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-08-2015, 12:58 PM   #9
Sergio Natali
User
 
Sergio Natali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy
Posts: 2,646
Thanks: 1,082
Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts
Default

Nice Luger, probably not a shooter, but as a collectible there are some red flags as already evidenced by Bill.
If it's all matching is allright although I cannot really explain that wide "halo" around the "DWM" toggle stamp.
Welcome to this Forum of Luger enthusiasts!
__________________
"Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.
Sergio Natali is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to Sergio Natali for your post:
Unread 11-08-2015, 01:55 PM   #10
mfelzien
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Berkeley CA
Posts: 12
Thanks: 35
Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by donvoigt View Post
i'm trying to read the label on the case, looks like some limited edition "hans taucher" related
reproduction.

Can we get a good picture of the label, or does someone already know the origin of the case?
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2639.jpg
Views:	107
Size:	121.8 KB
ID:	53566
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_2643.jpg
Views:	114
Size:	228.8 KB
ID:	53567
__________________
It's always Oktoberfest somewhere
mfelzien is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to mfelzien for your post:
Unread 11-08-2015, 03:05 PM   #11
mfelzien
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Berkeley CA
Posts: 12
Thanks: 35
Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts
Default

Toggle action shot and strawing.

HERE is a link to a short clip showing the toggle action on the gun:

DWM 1918 Toggle Action
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	FullSizeRender.jpg
Views:	128
Size:	150.0 KB
ID:	53573  

__________________
It's always Oktoberfest somewhere
mfelzien is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-08-2015, 04:19 PM   #12
buster123
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 10
Thanks: 5
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

These guys in th uk make them
http://cmrfirearms.com/shop/product_...3b387d31d35a4f
buster123 is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to buster123 for your post:
Unread 11-09-2015, 04:55 AM   #13
Sergio Natali
User
 
Sergio Natali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy
Posts: 2,646
Thanks: 1,082
Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts
Default

All these precious English wood boxes and beautiful accessories... then they deactivate all the firearms...
__________________
"Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.
Sergio Natali is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-09-2015, 07:26 AM   #14
buster123
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 10
Thanks: 5
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Handguns where banned in the UK in 97 due to one disturbed fool by the name of Thomas Hamilton, he walked into a primary school in dunblane Scotland and shot 16 small children and their teacher, so the government's knee-jerk reaction still stands to this day, and will never change! They are even considering banning airguns, and the only way you can own an airsoft or modern replica is if you are a registered reinactor. But it's perfectly legal to go out and buy a crossbow ???
buster123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-09-2015, 10:22 AM   #15
hayhugh
User
 
hayhugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Florida/Penna
Posts: 896
Thanks: 857
Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts
Default

Hope they don't come begging for American handout guns again like the did in the 2nd WW.
hayhugh is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to hayhugh for your post:
Unread 11-09-2015, 10:28 AM   #16
buster123
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 10
Thanks: 5
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Why would the come begging for guns when they are illegal in their country??
buster123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-09-2015, 11:53 AM   #17
DavidJayUden
Patron
LugerForum
Patron
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,047
Thanks: 578
Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts
Default

Happened in both WW1 and 2. We sent sporting arms by the shipload to the UK so they could protect themselves from their neighbors.
At some point it would be tempting to "not answer that call".
dju
DavidJayUden is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-09-2015, 12:05 PM   #18
Sergio Natali
User
 
Sergio Natali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy
Posts: 2,646
Thanks: 1,082
Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts
Default

Yes David is right, it happened twice at the beginning of both the World Wars!
__________________
"Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.
Sergio Natali is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-09-2015, 12:58 PM   #19
buster123
User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 10
Thanks: 5
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

All right, I see where your coming from! Your talking about the uk government asking for arms! Well your quite right there! Why give them arms if the won't let there own people defend themselfs, if you go onto any deact website in the uk you will still find lend lease smith & wessons and Thompsons being sold.
buster123 is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to buster123 for your post:
Reply

Tags
dwm 1918, mutter, mutti, p-08

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Lugerforum.com