Artillery for Sale

Tony S. · 09-17-2003, 11:57 AM

Mismatched Artillery Rig for sale in GunsAmerica. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976386392.htm

Big Norm · 09-18-2003, 01:55 PM

Tony,
this could be an interesting buy at that price. But some questions have to be asked first. What I see of the stock wood looks too new to me. Find out if the stock has any markings. Get better pictures. What is meant by light pitting on the gun. Is this tolerable to you. Do you have the patience to hunt down the mismatched part? Are there any markings on the holster itself. While it looks good in the pictures, it could be a used repro. The holster rig is what makes this an interesting look-see. The price is a bite high for a mismatch with unknown pitting and without a matching mag.

Just my two cents.
Big Norm

jamese · 09-18-2003, 05:04 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> looks like they got mixed up when they were cleaned by a local gun shop, and correct one was sold on another gun...<hr /></blockquote>Yea! gun shops always take 2 or 3 lugers apart at the same time and mix the parts to clean them.

I agree Norm a little high for a mis-match

Jim

Big Norm · 09-19-2003, 12:06 AM

Jim,
don't be too hard. People who specialize on one gun can always beat a dealer who sells multiple guns. Dealers have to know too much about too many guns. Thats their disadvantage.

On the artillery in question here. The holster rig is the interesting thing. If it is a true Persian rig, then there is value there. When Persian Lugers were shipped out, everything was thrown mish mash into boxes. I would think that somewhere in our planet, someone is looking for the stock and holster to their Persian that would make their gun a legit matching set. So the question is, is this a righteous stock, holster and so forth to a Persian artillery?

So knock off $600 for the stock. Maybe $800 for the holster and attaching leather. The price for the artillery is now about $300-500. Not too bad for a mismatch with unknown pitting and no matching mag. But all my prices are just plain guesstimates. And you still have to find someone who wants to make their Persian artillery a rig. Do-able, but tough.

Finally, I don't think that Persian holsters are marked in any way. So there is risk in accepting a repro holster. But stocks are marked in Fausi serial numbers. The limited view of this stock looks too good to be real. But I am not real good on Persian stuff so don't hold my feet to the fire.
Big Norm

jamese · 09-19-2003, 05:28 PM

Big Norm,
I'm not being too hard on the gun or the rig, just the story about how the take down lever got mis-matched.

Jim

Tony S. · 09-19-2003, 05:48 PM

Here is a pic of the stock. I noticed that edges around attaching mechanism and wood stock are not smooth/even. So far, the pictures that I have seen of the attaching lever have 5 ridges. The one shown here has only four. The Farsi markings are also an at angle. These are only observations, this rig could possibly be all original. No other markings on rig.

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policeluger · 09-19-2003, 08:25 PM

Tony, the first # is 3, the second can be either a 7 0r 8, but it is turned and too what degree turned I do not know, third # is not clear enought too read by my screen and last letter looks like #1. I remember some of the basic letter and numbers, basic Iranian from by mis-spent youth.

Big Norm · 09-22-2003, 10:52 PM

The only Persian stock that I ever paid attention to had the serial on the attaching iron. But I have noticed that European artillery stocks will occasionally have the serial numbers on the neck of the wood. So I don't see any reason that shouldn't happen on a Persian stock. Thanks for the picture Tony.
The only way that I could figure out the Farsi numbers is by looking at the numbers on the artilleries rear sight.
Big Norm

09-18-2003, 05:04 PM	#3
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> looks like they got mixed up when they were cleaned by a local gun shop, and correct one was sold on another gun...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Yea! gun shops always take 2 or 3 lugers apart at the same time and mix the parts to clean them. I agree Norm a little high for a mis-match Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

09-19-2003, 05:28 PM	#5
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	Big Norm, I'm not being too hard on the gun or the rig, just the story about how the take down lever got mis-matched. Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

09-17-2003, 11:57 AM	#1
Tony S. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Artillery for Sale Mismatched Artillery Rig for sale in GunsAmerica. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976386392.htm

09-18-2003, 01:55 PM	#2
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Tony, this could be an interesting buy at that price. But some questions have to be asked first. What I see of the stock wood looks too new to me. Find out if the stock has any markings. Get better pictures. What is meant by light pitting on the gun. Is this tolerable to you. Do you have the patience to hunt down the mismatched part? Are there any markings on the holster itself. While it looks good in the pictures, it could be a used repro. The holster rig is what makes this an interesting look-see. The price is a bite high for a mismatch with unknown pitting and without a matching mag. Just my two cents. Big Norm

09-19-2003, 12:06 AM	#4
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Jim, don't be too hard. People who specialize on one gun can always beat a dealer who sells multiple guns. Dealers have to know too much about too many guns. Thats their disadvantage. On the artillery in question here. The holster rig is the interesting thing. If it is a true Persian rig, then there is value there. When Persian Lugers were shipped out, everything was thrown mish mash into boxes. I would think that somewhere in our planet, someone is looking for the stock and holster to their Persian that would make their gun a legit matching set. So the question is, is this a righteous stock, holster and so forth to a Persian artillery? So knock off $600 for the stock. Maybe $800 for the holster and attaching leather. The price for the artillery is now about $300-500. Not too bad for a mismatch with unknown pitting and no matching mag. But all my prices are just plain guesstimates. And you still have to find someone who wants to make their Persian artillery a rig. Do-able, but tough. Finally, I don't think that Persian holsters are marked in any way. So there is risk in accepting a repro holster. But stocks are marked in Fausi serial numbers. The limited view of this stock looks too good to be real. But I am not real good on Persian stuff so don't hold my feet to the fire. Big Norm

09-19-2003, 05:48 PM	#6
Tony S. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is a pic of the stock. I noticed that edges around attaching mechanism and wood stock are not smooth/even. So far, the pictures that I have seen of the attaching lever have 5 ridges. The one shown here has only four. The Farsi markings are also an at angle. These are only observations, this rig could possibly be all original. No other markings on rig. <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/five.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/five.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

09-19-2003, 08:25 PM	#7
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Tony, the first # is 3, the second can be either a 7 0r 8, but it is turned and too what degree turned I do not know, third # is not clear enought too read by my screen and last letter looks like #1. I remember some of the basic letter and numbers, basic Iranian from by mis-spent youth.

09-22-2003, 10:52 PM	#8
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	The only Persian stock that I ever paid attention to had the serial on the attaching iron. But I have noticed that European artillery stocks will occasionally have the serial numbers on the neck of the wood. So I don't see any reason that shouldn't happen on a Persian stock. Thanks for the picture Tony. The only way that I could figure out the Farsi numbers is by looking at the numbers on the artilleries rear sight. Big Norm