Believed to be fairly rare..

Navy · 09-24-2002, 01:22 PM

All,

Arrived in the mail yesterday...a Mauser marked Luger barrel wrench. Marked on one side with small banner logo, on other side with maltese cross and alignment arrows. Will attempt to photo and post pix later.

Tom A. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

John Sabato · 09-24-2002, 01:49 PM

Can't wait to see it Tom!

John Sabato · 09-25-2002, 04:06 PM

Here are the photos that Tom just sent me to post here... they are a little fuzzy, but very interesting... I hope to encourage him to take some more from different angles when he gets back from MAX

A very interesting tool indeed. I am very interested to see the other side of the tool...

Ron Wood · 09-25-2002, 04:16 PM

Looks like a receiver wrench to me.

John Sabato · 09-25-2002, 04:28 PM

Yeah Ron, that's what I told Tom as well...

I believe he was thinking barrel "removal" wrench and was holding his tongue wrong by keeping it in front of his eye teeth while he was typing... he couldn't see what he was typing and he left out the word removal... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

This tool would still require the use of an appropriate barrel vise and fitted barrel blocks to remove Luger barrels without marring either the receiver or the barrel. But the wrench is still a remarkable find. Wish it were mine.

ViggoG · 10-24-2002, 03:48 AM

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Tom A, John S. and Ron W., <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" />
Have you noticed that this tool Has been Forced to Failure.
Failure Mode
Total Sheer removal in one direction (CCW), and sheer displacement in the other direction (CW).
Those internal corners of the lower slot are supposed to fit closely to the Lower Stop Block on the underside of the Cannon Fork Assembly.
THIS tool is NOW totally worthless as a working tool as It will NOW place the full torque on the forward portion of the rails and distort them,
Thereby possibly destroying the fit between the fork and frame.
Its VALUE NOW is as a good model for reproducing the original or as a collector item demonstrating tool failures that damage the gun parts.
ViggoG <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" /> <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" /> <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

John Sabato · 10-24-2002, 10:46 AM

Viggo,

In your opinion, is the vertical bar that can be seen through the center of the wrench designed to be fit between the "fork" during the removal process... (pure speculation on my part) and would this provide a more secure "fit" or is this likely to damage the fork rails...

The fact the the wrench is Mauser Banner stamped would tend to give some credibility to it's design...

Navy · 10-24-2002, 09:35 PM

Most esteamed Herr TACF,

It is always a good day when one learns something . I had no idea that there was a Balkan cross which was a different variety than a maltese cross...

Guess we need to be much more cross- disciplinary to ensure we are correct.

Tom A.

Lugerdoc · 10-25-2002, 07:55 AM

The luger receiver wrench shown is one of 5 made for me 25 years ago by a California machinist. I don't know what he intended by the cross, although he was copying a photo of a Swiss tool, and the Mauser Banner must have been added later by a subsequent owner. The verticle steel bar does in fact fit between the "forks" of the receiver, mainly to assure correct positioning of the wrench. I have used mine to change close to 100 barrels with excellent results, although the threads in the brass lower block finally stripped and I had to drill the holes all the way thru and use nuts on longer screws, as a repair. Tom H.

ViggoG · 10-26-2002, 12:59 AM

Rick W and T Heller,
There is a very good method to repair the stripped threads.
It is called Heli-Coils, As of 20 years ago they were and are now available at most any AutoParts store.
The hole having been drilled out for clearance to the bolt, It is now ready to tap with the proper Heli-Coil tap and screw in the helical thread insert to restore it to the original thread size.
However now it will have a high strength internal thread that will strip or break the bolt before failing itself.
I have ask John S to post,(for me), a comment with a Jpg to illustrate my original thought on this tool, as stated above and restated to John, And I would like to hear comments from T Heller and others as to the validity of my conclusions.
ViggoG [img]confused.gif[/img] "ole dumhead me cannot yet post pichers" <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />

09-24-2002, 01:22 PM	#1
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Believed to be fairly rare.. All, Arrived in the mail yesterday...a Mauser marked Luger barrel wrench. Marked on one side with small banner logo, on other side with maltese cross and alignment arrows. Will attempt to photo and post pix later. Tom A. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

09-24-2002, 01:49 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Can't wait to see it Tom! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-25-2002, 04:06 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Here are the photos that Tom just sent me to post here... they are a little fuzzy, but very interesting... I hope to encourage him to take some more from different angles when he gets back from MAX A very interesting tool indeed. I am very interested to see the other side of the tool... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-25-2002, 04:16 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,096 Times in 1,676 Posts	Looks like a receiver wrench to me. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-25-2002, 04:28 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Yeah Ron, that's what I told Tom as well... I believe he was thinking barrel "removal" wrench and was holding his tongue wrong by keeping it in front of his eye teeth while he was typing... he couldn't see what he was typing and he left out the word removal... [img]biggrin.gif[/img] This tool would still require the use of an appropriate barrel vise and fitted barrel blocks to remove Luger barrels without marring either the receiver or the barrel. But the wrench is still a remarkable find. Wish it were mine. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-24-2002, 03:48 AM	#6
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	<img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> >>>>NOTICE CORRECTED POST<<<<< <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> Tom A, John S. and Ron W., <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" /> Have you noticed that this tool Has been Forced to Failure. Failure Mode Total Sheer removal in one direction (CCW), and sheer displacement in the other direction (CW). Those internal corners of the lower slot are supposed to fit closely to the Lower Stop Block on the underside of the Cannon Fork Assembly. THIS tool is NOW totally worthless as a working tool as It will NOW place the full torque on the forward portion of the rails and distort them, Thereby possibly destroying the fit between the fork and frame. Its VALUE NOW is as a good model for reproducing the original or as a collector item demonstrating tool failures that damage the gun parts. ViggoG <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" /> <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" /> <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

10-24-2002, 10:46 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Viggo, In your opinion, is the vertical bar that can be seen through the center of the wrench designed to be fit between the "fork" during the removal process... (pure speculation on my part) and would this provide a more secure "fit" or is this likely to damage the fork rails... The fact the the wrench is Mauser Banner stamped would tend to give some credibility to it's design... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-24-2002, 09:35 PM	#8
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Most esteamed Herr TACF, It is always a good day when one learns something . I had no idea that there was a Balkan cross which was a different variety than a maltese cross... Guess we need to be much more cross- disciplinary to ensure we are correct. Tom A.

10-25-2002, 07:55 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The luger receiver wrench shown is one of 5 made for me 25 years ago by a California machinist. I don't know what he intended by the cross, although he was copying a photo of a Swiss tool, and the Mauser Banner must have been added later by a subsequent owner. The verticle steel bar does in fact fit between the "forks" of the receiver, mainly to assure correct positioning of the wrench. I have used mine to change close to 100 barrels with excellent results, although the threads in the brass lower block finally stripped and I had to drill the holes all the way thru and use nuts on longer screws, as a repair. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-26-2002, 12:59 AM	#10
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Rick W and T Heller, There is a very good method to repair the stripped threads. It is called Heli-Coils, As of 20 years ago they were and are now available at most any AutoParts store. The hole having been drilled out for clearance to the bolt, It is now ready to tap with the proper Heli-Coil tap and screw in the helical thread insert to restore it to the original thread size. However now it will have a high strength internal thread that will strip or break the bolt before failing itself. I have ask John S to post,(for me), a comment with a Jpg to illustrate my original thought on this tool, as stated above and restated to John, And I would like to hear comments from T Heller and others as to the validity of my conclusions. ViggoG [img]confused.gif[/img] "ole dumhead me cannot yet post pichers" <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />