Serial Numbers

Brew_Ha_Ha · 02-18-2003, 03:36 PM

Can anyone tell me when a Luger with a serial number of 70427 would have been made? The 20's?

Ron Wood · 02-18-2003, 05:24 PM

Roughly 1913. It should still have the horizontal or "lazy" Crown/N nitro proof on the left side of the receiver.

Brew_Ha_Ha · 02-19-2003, 02:14 PM

No actually, the markings i see and the best way to that I can show you is on www.lugerforum.com general informationthen proof page 1, number 11 is the only proof i see except the very last proof is on the barrel and on a remote place on the toggle action. This is my friends first luger and he does not have a computer. Anyone with any info. would be very helpful.

Ron Wood · 02-19-2003, 02:49 PM

My date estimate is still OK at late 1913 or very early 1914, and your friend is very fortunate. With that proof, it is one of the relatively few 1908 Commercial Lugers that were routed to the military to make up for a shortfall in military production. The number produced is extimated at only 450 (Jan Still's "Imperial Lugers" page 25). It is known as a "1908 Commercial Army". The C/X C/X C/X and Army Test Proof (eagle) is only found on this variation and on the "1914 Commercial Army", which was rerouted from 1914 commercial production for the same reason, but that variation has a stock lug. Congratulate your friend for me.

P.S. This is a very good example of why it is important to provide as much information as possible about a Luger when attempting to determine an identification. Thanks for your persistence.

Brew_Ha_Ha · 02-19-2003, 03:09 PM

This luger has a stock lug. The eagle proof is on the barrel and on the breechlock, I've talked to Thor and he says about the same about the luger, only that it is weird for the stock lug to be there, Thor also asked about the rear sight(fixed sight, dovetail front).

Brew_Ha_Ha · 02-19-2003, 03:50 PM

P.S: there is TWO numbers that have been engraved on TWO different parts, a 27 near the rear sight on the left side of the Luger not the part right below the rear sight, and the part thats near the little safty lever that comes up when u secure the luger, i will post pictures soon

Ron Wood · 02-19-2003, 05:32 PM

OK, now you have added one more piece of information - it has a stock lug. Recapping: it has C/X C/X C/X Eagle proofs, it has a stock lug and it is serial numbered 70427. If you look, it also has a 27 on the bottom of the takedown lever and the bottom of the side plate(unless the sear bar was shortened after the 1916 directive, in which case these parts may have been renumbered in the military exposed style - which I strongly suspect since the "little safety lever" is numbered). With the stock lug it now can be identified as the "1914 Commercial Army" per my previous post.

P.S. The 1914 Commercial Army is even more scarce than the 1908 Commercial Army. The estimated production is 100.

Thor · 02-19-2003, 05:35 PM

Wow, thanks Ron, I have been talking to this young man early today, and I had arrived at the 1908 model you mentioned until he told me it had a stock lug then I knew the frame was made later! Thanks for helping identify it! I TOLD HIM RON WOOD WOULD KNOW!!! This is great!

Ron Wood · 02-19-2003, 08:45 PM

Thank you Ted for the vote of confidence.

Brew_Ha_Ha,
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Brew_Ha_Ha · 02-20-2003, 11:23 AM

You got to be kidding me.

Ron Wood · 02-20-2003, 11:34 AM

I'm not sure what you mean about kidding?

John Sabato · 02-20-2003, 11:39 AM

No - Really! Brew_Ha_Ha,

Many new members are not aware of it...You have a Private Message mailbox... check your profile...

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Pelorat · 02-20-2003, 01:04 PM

Maybe he was simply expressing amazement at the speed and accuracy of the identification of his pistol? Or perhaps at the rarity of the gun... I know I was impressed when you folks had mine figured out in just a few posts =)

Brew_Ha_Ha · 02-20-2003, 03:10 PM

Yes,that is what I mean the possible rarity astounds me.

Pete Ebbink · 02-21-2003, 04:42 PM

Whenever I see Ron Wood using the Private Message feature, I suspect another luger is changing ownership hands... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 02-21-2003, 05:16 PM

Not really Pete. This is Brew_Ha_Ha's first Luger and it is very special to him. I will admit that I was interested, but I remember how much my first Luger excited me.

02-18-2003, 03:36 PM	#1
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Serial Numbers Can anyone tell me when a Luger with a serial number of 70427 would have been made? The 20's? __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

02-18-2003, 05:24 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Roughly 1913. It should still have the horizontal or "lazy" Crown/N nitro proof on the left side of the receiver. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-19-2003, 02:14 PM	#3
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No actually, the markings i see and the best way to that I can show you is on www.lugerforum.com general informationthen proof page 1, number 11 is the only proof i see except the very last proof is on the barrel and on a remote place on the toggle action. This is my friends first luger and he does not have a computer. Anyone with any info. would be very helpful. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

02-19-2003, 02:49 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	My date estimate is still OK at late 1913 or very early 1914, and your friend is very fortunate. With that proof, it is one of the relatively few 1908 Commercial Lugers that were routed to the military to make up for a shortfall in military production. The number produced is extimated at only 450 (Jan Still's "Imperial Lugers" page 25). It is known as a "1908 Commercial Army". The C/X C/X C/X and Army Test Proof (eagle) is only found on this variation and on the "1914 Commercial Army", which was rerouted from 1914 commercial production for the same reason, but that variation has a stock lug. Congratulate your friend for me. P.S. This is a very good example of why it is important to provide as much information as possible about a Luger when attempting to determine an identification. Thanks for your persistence. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-19-2003, 03:09 PM	#5
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This luger has a stock lug. The eagle proof is on the barrel and on the breechlock, I've talked to Thor and he says about the same about the luger, only that it is weird for the stock lug to be there, Thor also asked about the rear sight(fixed sight, dovetail front). __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

02-19-2003, 03:50 PM	#6
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P.S: there is TWO numbers that have been engraved on TWO different parts, a 27 near the rear sight on the left side of the Luger not the part right below the rear sight, and the part thats near the little safty lever that comes up when u secure the luger, i will post pictures soon __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

02-19-2003, 05:32 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	OK, now you have added one more piece of information - it has a stock lug. Recapping: it has C/X C/X C/X Eagle proofs, it has a stock lug and it is serial numbered 70427. If you look, it also has a 27 on the bottom of the takedown lever and the bottom of the side plate(unless the sear bar was shortened after the 1916 directive, in which case these parts may have been renumbered in the military exposed style - which I strongly suspect since the "little safety lever" is numbered). With the stock lug it now can be identified as the "1914 Commercial Army" per my previous post. P.S. The 1914 Commercial Army is even more scarce than the 1908 Commercial Army. The estimated production is 100. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-19-2003, 05:35 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Wow, thanks Ron, I have been talking to this young man early today, and I had arrived at the 1908 model you mentioned until he told me it had a stock lug then I knew the frame was made later! Thanks for helping identify it! I TOLD HIM RON WOOD WOULD KNOW!!! This is great! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-19-2003, 08:45 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Thank you Ted for the vote of confidence. Brew_Ha_Ha, Please see your private messages which can be found by clicking the "my profile" label at the top of the page. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-20-2003, 11:23 AM	#10
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You got to be kidding me. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

02-20-2003, 11:34 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I'm not sure what you mean about kidding? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-20-2003, 11:39 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	No - Really! Brew_Ha_Ha, Many new members are not aware of it...You have a Private Message mailbox... check your profile... this allows private communications between members that don't know each other without revealing actual email addresses in public... There is a limit of 60 private messages for storage per member... if you have that many, your mailbox will not receive any more messages until you delete some... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-20-2003, 01:04 PM	#13
Pelorat User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Charleston, SC Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe he was simply expressing amazement at the speed and accuracy of the identification of his pistol? Or perhaps at the rarity of the gun... I know I was impressed when you folks had mine figured out in just a few posts =)

02-20-2003, 03:10 PM	#14
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes,that is what I mean the possible rarity astounds me. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

02-21-2003, 04:42 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Whenever I see Ron Wood using the Private Message feature, I suspect another luger is changing ownership hands... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-21-2003, 05:16 PM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Not really Pete. This is Brew_Ha_Ha's first Luger and it is very special to him. I will admit that I was interested, but I remember how much my first Luger excited me. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction