Just arrived "Selbstladepistole 04" Mod.06, altered

[wolfganggo]

proud to show to all members, just arrived, my new acquired navy...

in my opinon the gun is realy well preserved, unless a few items not original

-- german nitro proof, obvious made from an collector at the national firing proof house. all stamps well hidden
-- breechblock not original, prussian proofmark, different serialnumber
-- left grip brocken, in the thumb safety area
-- unit marking seems to me to be a fake, the "WW 5886" lettering is not stamped, its milled

most blueing is in good condition, a little bit stawing apparent,
except the breechblock all matching numbers

comments from all specialists welcome, every annotation helps me to understand my luger better.....

regards wolfganggo

[sheepherder]

Grip safety & stock lug! I like it!

[Norme]

Hi Wolfgang, Thanks for showing your 1906 Navy. Apart from the issues you mention, it looks very nice indeed. That unit mark is authentic. It seems that the Wilhelmhaven dockyard had a pantograph engraving machine, and all the W.W. property marks I have seen have been cut with that distinctive rotary cutter. All the other units and dockyards stamped their marks. Regards, Norm

[Norme]

Hi Wolfgang, The mark I see on the breech block seems to me to be a DWM Army Test Proof eagle. Are there any other non Naval markings? I'm also puzzled by the number 9 below the take-down lever. Are the grips numbered? You say the magazine base is un-numbered, does it have the Crown/M Navy mark? Regards, Norm

[pors12]

Hello,

Was this gun on Egun ?

regards

Otto

[wolfganggo]

sorry for the delay of my answer, it was an hard week, with work and family...

attached you find some pix, plus my answer for explanation and to train my english....
the breechblock has an prussian army proof mark, the serialnumber is "24".
the surfacecoating seems to be different, when the whole gun seems to be a little bit blue shiny, the breechblock, looks black, no way of the realy pretty blueing, typical to old dwm guns...

other non naval markings....
yes, there are other markings, there is an actual german proofing, i think from 1999.
marked are
-- the receiver (underside near the stop lug),
-- the breechblock at its underside (near the catch),
-- the frame in the vicinity of the locking bolt (2 times, one at the left outside hidden by the locking bolt arm - take down lever, and an other stamp inside the frame, below the locking bolt - can only be seen when the locking bolt is removed)

as i mentioned at my first presentation, the officer of the proofhouse was aware of the historical interest of these guns. when the gun is assembled, his stamps are nearly invisible, ... thanks to this guy........
some stamps are set inclined to need less place, to get them nearly invisible under the arm of the locking bolt - take down lever.
you can see this inclines when you will look at the sign of the hannoverian proofhouse (the horse) is set so, that you can see only the legs.

also, your mentioned "9" is part of this gentle way of proofing. besides the 9 we can see, there is a second numeral, presumably a "9" stamped, nearly invisible, only if you get strong magnification, you can see the "baseleg" of a second numeral, i think also a "9", so the year of proofing seems to be 1999.

grips.......
the grips are numbered, one is matching, the second one ist marked with an "J" ... i have no idea why there is this "J" stamped, but possibly it was part of the changement procedure of the thumb safety, the "J" grip is the left one.....

magazine ......
the magazine has no stamps, no serial, no "crown m", it has an repair, to hold the wooden bottom piece better in place again, i think i have seen such repairs befor.....

unit markings.......
to hear that the obvious do their unit marks with an panthograph engraver makes me happy, i thought, that this "WW" was an fake

[Norme]

Hi Wolfgang, Thanks for posting those excellent photos. About half the Navy Lugers reported have un-numbered grips, and a few, like yours, have one numbered grip only. Those proof marks are interesting, it's nice to know that this 90 year old Navy could still pass proof testing! Regards, Norm

[wolfganggo]

is hidden in the modern proof.
if you look at the proof attached, you will see, different to all other "eagle over n" modern german proofs, this is an "eagle over i" stamping, called "instandsetzungsbeschuß - proofing after repair".
possibly this is an explanation for the changed breechblock, maybe when doing the proofing, the breechblock was broken, after changing the part, they did the repairproof ...

will see, i got contact to the proofinghous hannover, if they can give me acces to the files

regards from austria, wolfganggo .....


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