Is this luger rare?

mowzerluvr · 11-13-2003, 06:53 PM

I was at my local shop. The one I got my "G" date from. He has 3 Lugers for sale now. Two dwm's, one 1916 and one 1917. The 1917 has a unit mark on the grip strap.
But my main thing is he has a 1941, but not marked byf! Its marked 42, has matching #s and the last two of the serial is 40, kinda neat because on the top it reads 40,41 and 42..lol.
I am still not too knowledgeable on these. He told me they only made around 6,000 of the 41/42's. Is this correct? If so it is more collectable than my "g" date? It also has alot of blue worn off, all strawing is there and it appears to be original condition. No tampering I could see, but what do I know. And an fxo magazine with a black bottom.
mow.

Lonnie Zimmerman · 11-13-2003, 08:12 PM

They made about 10,000 42-41 Mausers, and they are very collectable, with the condion being VERY imortant. They were all blue and had no straw parts. 42-41 "s were made in January, 1941.
Lonnie

mowzerluvr · 11-14-2003, 05:39 PM

I may have them confused on the straw parts then, I looked at 3 and am having a hard time remembering the differences now that I am away from them. I will have him hold it for me then. As for the condition, not sure how to rate it, grips are great, worst is the blueing, not white metal, but worn none the less. I would be more worried if it had been reblued. But it appears original. So would it be safe to say the 41/42 is worth more and more collectable than say a "G" or "K" date?
mow.

Edward Tinker · 11-14-2003, 06:32 PM

I don't believe so at all?

But Frank would know?

The K and G dates are collectable on many merits, as just alone the letter makes them unique looking.

There were 10,930 K dates made, there were 54,070 G dates made.

This sounds like a lot, but there were 126,000 1937's made and 135,700 1940-42's made, while Jan Stills TRL states there were 7,000 42 -41's. So, I am sure it depends on the buyer and seller?

Ed

Lonnie Zimmerman · 11-14-2003, 11:35 PM

Ed; In my opinion, the only war time gun more collectable than a 42-41 is a K-date; hands down!!
Lonnie

Frank · 11-15-2003, 09:12 AM

Hi Dave!! I would have to say the collectability of a 41 Code 42 versus any other Military Mauser depends on what one defines as difficult to find. If one examines the total production of a given major variant then the 41 Code 42 will be the most desirable because the estimated production was, as Ed says, 7,000. Quite a few less than a K-Date at 11,000.

However, you also have to ask yourself how many of each are available to be purchased. K-Dates were made in 1934 and 41 Code 42 were made 7 years later. K-Dates were involved in about 6 years of war; the 41 Code 42 in only 4 years of war. How many survived the war and how many are still available?

If one examines the different sub-variations, then you would come to a different conclusion. As a for instance, the 41 byf with mixed Waffenamt marks SE/655 & SE135 are very rare. In fact, so rare that the data is sparce enough to preclude even a good guess as to the quantity available, but certainly less than 500, many estimate less than 50.

If one examines the sub-variations of K- & G-Dates, you can find production quantities of significantly less than 7,000.

While the 41 Code 42 is a very desirable Luger Variation, I think there are other variations that are more desirable.

Anyway my 2Ã?Â¢ worth

mowzerluvr · 11-15-2003, 09:41 PM

So my premature initial feeling to trade the "G" date for the 41/42 should be held at bay. To most of you it may be an easy decision, but I can't help but want "the rarer one" of the two. And with xmas coming up don't want to outright put out the cash. And on the other hand don't want to pass up a hard to find weapon either. Don't know where I would be without the valueable data and information from you guys on this board though. It is very much appreciated more than you know.
My only suggestion to myself is, I OWN a rare one and have to realize, ya can't own em all..lol.
mow.

jamese · 11-16-2003, 03:09 PM

mowzerluvr,
I sent you a PM

mowzerluvr · 11-17-2003, 10:29 PM

jamese, send me an email at gryph36@hotmail.com. The other didn't seem to come through.
mow.

11-13-2003, 06:53 PM	#1
mowzerluvr User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is this luger rare? I was at my local shop. The one I got my "G" date from. He has 3 Lugers for sale now. Two dwm's, one 1916 and one 1917. The 1917 has a unit mark on the grip strap. But my main thing is he has a 1941, but not marked byf! Its marked 42, has matching #s and the last two of the serial is 40, kinda neat because on the top it reads 40,41 and 42..lol. I am still not too knowledgeable on these. He told me they only made around 6,000 of the 41/42's. Is this correct? If so it is more collectable than my "g" date? It also has alot of blue worn off, all strawing is there and it appears to be original condition. No tampering I could see, but what do I know. And an fxo magazine with a black bottom. mow.

11-13-2003, 08:12 PM	#2
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	They made about 10,000 42-41 Mausers, and they are very collectable, with the condion being VERY imortant. They were all blue and had no straw parts. 42-41 "s were made in January, 1941. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

11-14-2003, 06:32 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	I don't believe so at all? But Frank would know? The K and G dates are collectable on many merits, as just alone the letter makes them unique looking. There were 10,930 K dates made, there were 54,070 G dates made. This sounds like a lot, but there were 126,000 1937's made and 135,700 1940-42's made, while Jan Stills TRL states there were 7,000 42 -41's. So, I am sure it depends on the buyer and seller? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-14-2003, 11:35 PM	#5
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ed; In my opinion, the only war time gun more collectable than a 42-41 is a K-date; hands down!! Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

11-16-2003, 03:09 PM	#8
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	mowzerluvr, I sent you a PM __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

11-14-2003, 05:39 PM	#3
mowzerluvr User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I may have them confused on the straw parts then, I looked at 3 and am having a hard time remembering the differences now that I am away from them. I will have him hold it for me then. As for the condition, not sure how to rate it, grips are great, worst is the blueing, not white metal, but worn none the less. I would be more worried if it had been reblued. But it appears original. So would it be safe to say the 41/42 is worth more and more collectable than say a "G" or "K" date? mow.

11-15-2003, 09:12 AM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Dave!! I would have to say the collectability of a 41 Code 42 versus any other Military Mauser depends on what one defines as difficult to find. If one examines the total production of a given major variant then the 41 Code 42 will be the most desirable because the estimated production was, as Ed says, 7,000. Quite a few less than a K-Date at 11,000. However, you also have to ask yourself how many of each are available to be purchased. K-Dates were made in 1934 and 41 Code 42 were made 7 years later. K-Dates were involved in about 6 years of war; the 41 Code 42 in only 4 years of war. How many survived the war and how many are still available? If one examines the different sub-variations, then you would come to a different conclusion. As a for instance, the 41 byf with mixed Waffenamt marks SE/655 & SE135 are very rare. In fact, so rare that the data is sparce enough to preclude even a good guess as to the quantity available, but certainly less than 500, many estimate less than 50. If one examines the sub-variations of K- & G-Dates, you can find production quantities of significantly less than 7,000. While the 41 Code 42 is a very desirable Luger Variation, I think there are other variations that are more desirable. Anyway my 2Ã?Â¢ worth

11-15-2003, 09:41 PM	#7
mowzerluvr User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So my premature initial feeling to trade the "G" date for the 41/42 should be held at bay. To most of you it may be an easy decision, but I can't help but want "the rarer one" of the two. And with xmas coming up don't want to outright put out the cash. And on the other hand don't want to pass up a hard to find weapon either. Don't know where I would be without the valueable data and information from you guys on this board though. It is very much appreciated more than you know. My only suggestion to myself is, I OWN a rare one and have to realize, ya can't own em all..lol. mow.

11-17-2003, 10:29 PM	#9
mowzerluvr User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	jamese, send me an email at gryph36@hotmail.com. The other didn't seem to come through. mow.